Hurdler Karsten Warholm is training 37,5 hours a week

FinJ wrote:

Are there any runners that are even close? I know they have rest periode during the training, and that demands are different than for maraton runners, but is there anything other runners can learn from it?

It's a full time profession what do you expect?

He will be including all the time spent at the gym, physio etc. Not just the time spent at the track.

Only the old skool casual runners on letsrun have this fetish of elite athletes training in their spare time after working in the mines. Maybe in 1960. Not anymore.

Lots of idle time...

No

Doing hurdle drills 8 hours a day is not the same as running 15-20 miles.

Hurdling is closer to playing football than it is to distance running.

FinJ wrote:

Are there any runners that are even close? I know they have rest periode during the training, and that demands are different than for maraton runners, but is there anything other runners can learn from it?

Source: just trust me bro

And that's why he's the best, will win gold, and possibly get the world record.

He’s not training 37.5hr a week

ex-runner wrote:

FinJ wrote:

Are there any runners that are even close? I know they have rest periode during the training, and that demands are different than for maraton runners, but is there anything other runners can learn from it?

It's a full time profession what do you expect?

He will be including all the time spent at the gym, physio etc. Not just the time spent at the track.

Only the old skool casual runners on letsrun have this fetish of elite athletes training in their spare time after working in the mines. Maybe in 1960. Not anymore.

Unionized?

briswiss wrote:

He’s not training 37.5hr a week

Spending time doing things to get better isn’t the same as training

1 hour of cardio

1 hour of strength

1 hour of yoga

1.5 hours of hurdle drills

1 hour of massage

X 7 days a week

Done

Rick Sanchez wrote:

1 hour of cardio

1 hour of strength

1 hour of yoga

1.5 hours of hurdle drills

1 hour of massage

X 7 days a week

Done

Probably something like this lol. A lot of bloat, nobody should be tricking our young aspiring athletes into thinking they need to run themselves into the ground to be successful.

$40.00=$42.40? wrote:

Rick Sanchez wrote:

1 hour of cardio

1 hour of strength

1 hour of yoga

1.5 hours of hurdle drills

1 hour of massage

X 7 days a week

Done

Probably something like this lol. A lot of bloat, nobody should be tricking our young aspiring athletes into thinking they need to run themselves into the ground to be successful.

I can tell you're not gonna produce any world-beaters.

The Levchenko crease wrote:

$40.00=$42.40? wrote:

Probably something like this lol. A lot of bloat, nobody should be tricking our young aspiring athletes into thinking they need to run themselves into the ground to be successful.

I can tell you're not gonna produce any world-beaters.

Karsten works really hard during the massage...

Rick Sanchez wrote:

1 hour of cardio

1 hour of strength

1 hour of yoga

1.5 hours of hurdle drills

1 hour of massage

X 7 days a week

Done

This isn't even close.

I have some knowledge, though not a lot, of what Leif Olav Alnes has his athletes do.

Alnes is an incredible coach, but is known for pushing the envelope and has broken a few athletes. He builds progressions each season. If you read the article you can see that there are 2.5 more hours of training per week this year.

Warholm came from the decathlon, so he's conditioned to long hours on the track. I've read some basic information about his training and its basically 3x1-2 hour sessions in one day, followed by a recovery day. On both, he's either training, eating or getting therapy, but he's engaged in being an athlete.

The deadlift is an example of trying to address one of Warholm's weaknesses. Read his interview in Track and Field News.

Side note, Amalie Iuel has improved since moving to Alnes which is a rarity for athletes who were int he USC meat grinder.

Don't believe in all coming from the land of trolls where quantity not quality is the typical training methods. ;-) Journalists can exaggerate and the info may be out there to mislead other top 400 m hurdle runners.

am

1 hour of cardio (easy jog?)

1 hour of strength (Mo: leg training, preferred with plyo, Tue: upper body training, We: leg training with heavy weights and long rests, Thu: different kind of upper body training, Fri; strength with plyo, Sa: core training, Su: mix with heavy weights and plyo)

1 hour of yoga (another word for rest, water bed?)

pm

1.5 hours of hurdle drills (that can be so much from hard drills with weighted vest to technique training, pure sprint where the training of the day is not contradicting the am strength training for the legs.)

1 hour of massage

The big question is what is happening on day 8 and 9? My guess is rest. Don't believe the athletes telling a story they have never had a rest day unless they are neurotic.

*

Remember John Akii-Bua from Uganda who won Olympic gold on 400 m hurdles in München 2nd of September 1972, less than 1 second slower than Warholm's pb [2020].

John Akii-Bua ran the Olympic final from lane 1 and as far as I know without high altitude visit 4 weeks + 1 extra week on low altitude before the Olympic competitions. With this in mind including more sprint and plyo oriented training as Warholm does I hold John Akii-Bua on lane 6 facing Warholm on 7 would have had a very good chance to win the race .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgcZrAABIC8

If I had all the time in the world for just focusing on running hurdles, I would use all that time for it. But there is a list of different activities that have different effects, such as training forms, recovery (both physically and mentally), eating obviously. Hurdles is a much more technical thing than plain running and requires a lot more.

I would say that if he cannot get time for more than 37.5h during 7 days, he "trains" too little to become the greatest (if that is his goal) I would say that give or take there is 12 h time per day left for activities not sleeping or eating. that should cover all training, pauses, preps, active (and passive) recovery (incl massage, yoga). That is 84h per week available time...

Actually it could be that long distance runners do not max out the potential yet since the training is running and limited by the high impact and need of recovery. Maybe low impact cross-training adding considerable more "milage" could make runners reach better results. When runners report they feel stronger after a period of high loads of alternative training during injuries, it might be running in practice is not enough to reach the theoretical potential.

i am not sure if any runner really have tried th is in the long run. The africans are not cross-training, they are running, and basically all copy what the best do and the best ones, they run...

Jon Arne Glomsrud wrote:

Actually it could be that long distance runners do not max out the potential yet since the training is running and limited by the high impact and need of recovery. Maybe low impact cross-training adding considerable more "milage" could make runners reach better results. When runners report they feel stronger after a period of high loads of alternative training during injuries, it might be running in practice is not enough to reach the theoretical potential.

i am not sure if any runner really have tried th is in the long run. The africans are not cross-training, they are running, and basically all copy what the best do and the best ones, they run...

Maybe not many runners who are solely focussed on running, but triathletes intrinsically do a version of this - considering the proportion of their training time that is running (40%, maybe?) there are some rapid 5k and 10k times out there.

If their workload was tailored so that the swim/bike/strength work was designed only to supplement the running rather than ends in themselves, presumably there would be even more benefit.

I think that this mostly correct for a certain point in the year, most likely what Alnes would call the Maximum Strength Phase. Like a lot of Scandinavian coaches, he has been influenced by Verkhoshanski either directly, or indirectly from Vittori. This means that Alnes’ athletes follow a block schedule with lots of explosive weights and jumps/plyos central to their overall plan. If you haven’t done this or don’t have a coach who understands the method, this falls into “don’t try this at home kids” advice.

I suspect that Warholm has just come off of Alnes famous 6-week lactic acid block which is the last piece addressed prior to entering competition.

I agree with you regarding Akii-Bua. A little known fact about his training is that Malcolm Arnold had returned the U.K. sometime prior to the 1971-72 season and Akii-Bua was getting his workouts by mail from a very low profile coach in the United States.

"I would say that if he cannot get time for more than 37.5h during 7 days, he "trains" too little to become the greatest (if that is his goal)"

I hold that not even marathon runners are training 5 hours daily. The question is the quality, not the quantity.

The Norwegian runner Jacob Ingebrigtsen told in a podcast interview he ran at most 180 km/week. Take away the easy am jogging with some 10 km (at least 40-50 minutes) with exception for Sundays with one long run and the program is down to some 120 km in a week. All in all on one typical day: 40-50 minutes + 60-80 minutes = 100-130 minutes or approximately some 2 hours daily. ;-)

Michael Johnsen, former WR holder on 400 m with 43,18 ran according to my calculation some (60-)70 km in a week including guessed warm up 2 km and cool down 1,5 km during autumn-winter. Based on quality with increased speed on the 200s with less rest and fewer runs. He did so of course in addition to pure sprint/long sprint intervals, hill runs, weights in split jumps, etc.

Five - 5 - hours training daily for 400 m hurdles? No way! Disinformation 'made in Norway' with huge inspiration from cross-country skiing with a method that failed to be used in middle and long distance running.

Björn-Olav Kvidal,

Stockholm