It won't need to, all they will have to do is vote for more entitlements. its 50 poor people voting to confiscate the fruits of labor from 1 wealthy individual.
It won't need to, all they will have to do is vote for more entitlements. its 50 poor people voting to confiscate the fruits of labor from 1 wealthy individual.
further left than V.I.U. wrote:
Stoppit Smith wrote:
Nope.
I'm dirt poor.
I work a low wage job and help my elderly mother and another not-so-well relative.
Jeff Bezos and Amazon have saved me trips to pet stores for cat food, long grocery trips, the shopping rush, and have allowed for almost anything to be delivered. Their drivers even wear masks. I've seen it.
The CEO of Ginny's has allowed Christmas gifts to be delivered.
Bill Gates put a lot of money into the vaccine effort.
They have saved lives during this pandemic.
I'm on their side.
Billions for saving us? Sure!
What about the other roughly 650 U.S. billionaires that you may not like? Most of the other U.S. billionaires in U.S. pressured U.S. politicians for income tax cuts. Tax cuts they do not need. Income tax cuts do not make billionaires more productive. Austria leans socialist. They do not have Bezos or Gates. Austrian citizens will still get their vaccines. As I stated, there are only about 650 billionaires in U.S. Capitalism only functions as a system due to capitalist stooges. Capitalist Stooges are those in bottom 50% net worth who apologize and embrace billionaires.
650 billionaires in the US is a lot. How many Americans have broken 4 in the mile or sub 14 in the 5000 or run at cross country nationals or Olympic trials combined?
Maybe making a billion isn’t that hard compared to the effort most of us put into our hobby jogging.
There will be no revolt in this country so long as our poorest continue to have roofs over their heads, food on their tables, clean running water, complimentary electricity and gas, and last, but not least, television to keep them entertained.
The Juice wrote:
There will be no revolt in this country so long as our poorest continue to have roofs over their heads, food on their tables, clean running water, complimentary electricity and gas, and last, but not least, television to keep them entertained.
So you’re saying things aren’t that bad.
We can improve
Free Healthcare for ALL
Free Education for ALL
Preschool-Graduate School
Eliminate Student Loan Debt
Reconnect Citizens and Government in a positive way
Comeback to the CENTER in Politics
Typical Letsrunner wrote:
further left than V.I.U. wrote:
What about the other roughly 650 U.S. billionaires that you may not like? Most of the other U.S. billionaires in U.S. pressured U.S. politicians for income tax cuts. Tax cuts they do not need. Income tax cuts do not make billionaires more productive. Austria leans socialist. They do not have Bezos or Gates. Austrian citizens will still get their vaccines. As I stated, there are only about 650 billionaires in U.S. Capitalism only functions as a system due to capitalist stooges. Capitalist Stooges are those in bottom 50% net worth who apologize and embrace billionaires.
650 billionaires in the US is a lot. How many Americans have broken 4 in the mile or sub 14 in the 5000 or run at cross country nationals or Olympic trials combined?
Maybe making a billion isn’t that hard compared to the effort most of us put into our hobby jogging.
650 is a conservative number. With tax cuts for top 1% during Paul Ryan era along with the way spring, 2020 relief-stimulus aided top 1%, it is likely men & women who were worth $750,000,000 or so during Obama's final year in office are billionaires today. [Not easy to calculate. Forbes obviously has overly estimated Trump's net worth for decades.] Another factor: Billionaires with international business interest since W. Bush often prefer to reside in U.S. I am certain Rupert Murdoch resides in U.S. because U.S. billionaires are lightly taxes compared to billionaires in other developed nations.
There are not enough doctors and nurses to provide health care to the rapidly aging US population. Redistribute wealth as much as you like.
That wealth can't pay for things that don't exist.
You got a magic wand that will suddenly create 100,000 fully trained new doctors and nurses ?
Hope that COVID vaccine from the 18-year-old voke tech HS grad goes well for you.
DanM wrote:
There are not enough doctors and nurses to provide health care to the rapidly aging US population. Redistribute wealth as much as you like.
That wealth can't pay for things that don't exist.
You got a magic wand that will suddenly create 100,000 fully trained new doctors and nurses ?
Hope that COVID vaccine from the 18-year-old voke tech HS grad goes well for you.
If you've read my posts over the past couple of years, I have an answer for your questions, Here we go again:
1) Socialized medicine that is government sponsored single-payer as the have in Austria. In Austria, 50 Euro per month gets one clinical medical, surgeries, dental clinical, dental surgery, psychology out-patients, psychiatric in-patient. In Austria one only pays extra for eye glasses.
2) Socialized medicine only truly works if medical doctor education is fully paid for. No means testing. Medical doctors need to be paid less in a society with socialized medicine. Medical personnel completing their formal education sans debt makes a lower income more tolerable.
3) Private insurance and medicare have a similar billing structure often. We have had medicare & medicaid since L.B.J. administration. U.S. medical doctors get paid mostly per procedure. The two most well paid class of doctors in U.S. are ophthalmologists & dermatologists. Two class of doctors doing the most procedures. Risk-reward for medical doctors doing procedures. If there were no significant pay difference between general practitioners and specialists listed, it stands to reason more medical doctors would chose general medicine. With socialized medicine, a nation state can choose to pay general practitioners more than specialist. During earthquakes, hurricanes, fires, pandemics, riots and wars as a society we need more general medicine physicians than so many specialists.
4) Fighting Vodoo
The underclass is ridiculously lazy. They are already given most things by the wealthy producers. They will never revolt because they are too “busy" on social media, or on Netflix, or some other platform that permanently buries their faces in screens. Revolting would mean getting out and doing something. That ain’t happening from this current generation of poor people.
Meanwhile, their is more economic opportunity than ever. The Internet is the great equalizer, yet most people can’t be bothered to take note of that fact.
there, not their
further left than V.I.U. wrote:
DanM wrote:
There are not enough doctors and nurses to provide health care to the rapidly aging US population. Redistribute wealth as much as you like.
That wealth can't pay for things that don't exist.
You got a magic wand that will suddenly create 100,000 fully trained new doctors and nurses ?
Hope that COVID vaccine from the 18-year-old voke tech HS grad goes well for you.
If you've read my posts over the past couple of years, I have an answer for your questions, Here we go again:
1) Socialized medicine that is government sponsored single-payer as the have in Austria. In Austria, 50 Euro per month gets one clinical medical, surgeries, dental clinical, dental surgery, psychology out-patients, psychiatric in-patient. In Austria one only pays extra for eye glasses.
2) Socialized medicine only truly works if medical doctor education is fully paid for. No means testing. Medical doctors need to be paid less in a society with socialized medicine. Medical personnel completing their formal education sans debt makes a lower income more tolerable.
3) Private insurance and medicare have a similar billing structure often. We have had medicare & medicaid since L.B.J. administration. U.S. medical doctors get paid mostly per procedure. The two most well paid class of doctors in U.S. are ophthalmologists & dermatologists. Two class of doctors doing the most procedures. Risk-reward for medical doctors doing procedures. If there were no significant pay difference between general practitioners and specialists listed, it stands to reason more medical doctors would chose general medicine. With socialized medicine, a nation state can choose to pay general practitioners more than specialist. During earthquakes, hurricanes, fires, pandemics, riots and wars as a society we need more general medicine physicians than so many specialists.
[I was cut off.]
4) Fighting Voodoo Economics. Reagan's tax cuts on the most wealthy did not pay for themselves as then advertised. W. Bush's tax cuts on the most wealthy did not pay for themselves as advertised. Trump's tax cuts on the most wealthy have not paid for themselves as advertised. Giving 1/2 billionaires and billionaires more money only makes them more lazy. It is a myth that rich people work harder after receiving tax breaks.
5) How is all this paid? China does not feel the need to be an expeditionary military power. U.S. could have a military only large enough for national defense. A 3/4th cut in military budget would leave U.S. with large enough military. Cuts to everything. Cuts to space force. Cuts to C.I.A. Cuts to grants to weapon contractors. Cuts to grants to intelligence contractors. U.S. has both the largest AND second largest air force in the world. U.S. Navy is the second largest air force in the world. That is not necessary. That is simply Army-Navy rivalry. [U.S. Air Force was spawned from U.S. Army Air Corps.]
Nope, we are living way too comfortably to revolt. As long as there's sports on TV and beer in the fridge, nobody is going to give a f!ck enough to actually rise up. Until people stop suckling on the tit of big government and corporate oligarchs, nothing will change. What's happening is a modern day Hansel and Gretel story - the oligarchs (the Google's, Apples, Walmarts and Amazon's of the world) lure us in with modern comforts, leisure and distractions until we completely depend on them, then they use the politicians as puppets to create and enforce laws that benefit them at our expense. Does anyone else wonder why the government deems it safe for hundreds of people to occupy a Walmart at one time,
We have to slowly ween ourselves off of the modern comforts that they provide which means investing in local economies, growing our own food more, not relying on big pharma, reducing our tech usage, not relying on public education. I'm in no way advocating against capitalism, just against this pseudo-capitalist society which allows for an alliance between corporatists and the government.
"China does not feel the need to be an expeditionary military power."
Perhaps you should eat some more brain food and read a bit more:
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/china-military-amphibious/
I have to say - this is a really good post. Also, I think what helps to prevent uniting the lower class are two incredibly contradictory views that lead to death in the opinion of many people - abortion and guns. Those who pull the strings to provide the narrative are pretty ingenious.
Precious Roy wrote:
Stuff
further left than V.I.U. wrote:
further left than V.I.U. wrote:
If you've read my posts over the past couple of years, I have an answer for your questions, Here we go again:
1) Socialized medicine that is government sponsored single-payer as the have in Austria. In Austria, 50 Euro per month gets one clinical medical, surgeries, dental clinical, dental surgery, psychology out-patients, psychiatric in-patient. In Austria one only pays extra for eye glasses.
2) Socialized medicine only truly works if medical doctor education is fully paid for. No means testing. Medical doctors need to be paid less in a society with socialized medicine. Medical personnel completing their formal education sans debt makes a lower income more tolerable.
3) Private insurance and medicare have a similar billing structure often. We have had medicare & medicaid since L.B.J. administration. U.S. medical doctors get paid mostly per procedure. The two most well paid class of doctors in U.S. are ophthalmologists & dermatologists. Two class of doctors doing the most procedures. Risk-reward for medical doctors doing procedures. If there were no significant pay difference between general practitioners and specialists listed, it stands to reason more medical doctors would chose general medicine. With socialized medicine, a nation state can choose to pay general practitioners more than specialist. During earthquakes, hurricanes, fires, pandemics, riots and wars as a society we need more general medicine physicians than so many specialists.
[I was cut off.]
4) Fighting Voodoo Economics. Reagan's tax cuts on the most wealthy did not pay for themselves as then advertised. W. Bush's tax cuts on the most wealthy did not pay for themselves as advertised. Trump's tax cuts on the most wealthy have not paid for themselves as advertised. Giving 1/2 billionaires and billionaires more money only makes them more lazy. It is a myth that rich people work harder after receiving tax breaks.
5) How is all this paid? China does not feel the need to be an expeditionary military power. U.S. could have a military only large enough for national defense. A 3/4th cut in military budget would leave U.S. with large enough military. Cuts to everything. Cuts to space force. Cuts to C.I.A. Cuts to grants to weapon contractors. Cuts to grants to intelligence contractors. U.S. has both the largest AND second largest air force in the world. U.S. Navy is the second largest air force in the world. That is not necessary. That is simply Army-Navy rivalry. [U.S. Air Force was spawned from U.S. Army Air Corps.]
I read all this and did not find an answer to the question:
How do you create a sufficient number of newly trained doctors and nurses to provide health care services to a rapidly aging population ?
Your 10 minutes with a doctor today will be 9 minutes in 2025, 8 minutes in 2030, 7 minutes in 2035 - regardless of who is paying the bill.
Not the underclass as currently defined in the US. The underclass in the US is far better off than the majority of the world's poor; the poor have access to so many resources and have so many opportunities to get ahead. That's why college educated professionals from other countries risk life and limb to come to the US and work in the fields or in low-paying manufacturing or service jobs: they're still better off than they were back home. People who are wealthy in the US , for the most part, did not get rich by screwing poor people over, they got it by hard work, entrepreneurship, innovation, and providing goods and services at a competitive price that lower costs for everyone, including the poor. Walmart is a prime example, love them or hate them. Why should I care is someone else is a billionaire and I'm not? He/she didn't steal from me to get that wealth.
Carnivore 69 wrote:
The underclass is ridiculously lazy. They are already given most things by the wealthy producers. They will never revolt because they are too “busy" on social media, or on Netflix, or some other platform that permanently buries their faces in screens. Revolting would mean getting out and doing something. That ain’t happening from this current generation of poor people.
Meanwhile, their is more economic opportunity than ever. The Internet is the great equalizer, yet most people can’t be bothered to take note of that fact.
I disagree and offer a controversial counter: the middle class is the laziest group of all. The underclass are uneducated. They often work their tails off in physically demanding jobs. (Warehouse workers, construction, food service, cleaning and janitorial). Some are non-native English speaking. They do not know how to take advantage of economic opportunity on the internet. Many work 2 jobs, night shifts, etc. They work hard, just not smart. Not lazy.
The middle class is educated enough to see the opportunities, but oftentimes are earning *just* enough money in their desk jobs to not bother to take the risk. Many of them honestly don’t do that much actual “work” in their 40-50 hour a week office job that involves a lot of pointless meetings and vague responsibilities.
trickle down lies wrote:
Carnivore 69 wrote:
The underclass is ridiculously lazy. They are already given most things by the wealthy producers. They will never revolt because they are too “busy" on social media, or on Netflix, or some other platform that permanently buries their faces in screens. Revolting would mean getting out and doing something. That ain’t happening from this current generation of poor people.
Meanwhile, their is more economic opportunity than ever. The Internet is the great equalizer, yet most people can’t be bothered to take note of that fact.
I disagree and offer a controversial counter: the middle class is the laziest group of all. The underclass are uneducated. They often work their tails off in physically demanding jobs. (Warehouse workers, construction, food service, cleaning and janitorial). Some are non-native English speaking. They do not know how to take advantage of economic opportunity on the internet. Many work 2 jobs, night shifts, etc. They work hard, just not smart. Not lazy.
You just described the middle class. The underclass consists of multi-generational welfare dependents.
Precious Roy wrote:
The BLM protests and riots were pretty close to a revolt. But it was a revolt against the abuses of the criminal justice system and did not extent very far past that. That is why you saw all the big businesses embracing BLM with donations, pro-BLM PR campaigns. Amazon donated $10 mil because it was afraid that BLM would expand out to include economic justice issues.
The current political elites have done an excellent job (objectively speaking, not normatively) of creating political narratives that keep the working class from uniting and revolting against the economic and political system. Trump convinced the working class that the reason they did not have jobs was because of China and immigrants and that Dems only cared about identity politics. There was a kernel of truth in all of that, but Trump never had any intention of actually doing anything because Trump's big business supporters love free trade and cheap illegal immigrant labor. So, Trump just put on a show with a tariff here and being cruel to immigrants there, but accomplished nothing. This is largely why Trump lost. He did not deliver and enough people saw through his dog and pony show.
Dems have pretty much embraced the old conservative narrative that people are individually to blame for their circumstances because they did not do well in school and deserve to have less than the people who went to good schools and became professionals. The centrist Dem answer for everything is to embrace the meritocracy and make it more equitable with half measures like tax credits for community college tuition and to soften the blow of the markets with minimal safety net programs like WIC.
The Sanders/AOC wing of the Dems offers the only real political voice for revolutionary change, but they have failed to get working class voters to come out and support their movement. This is mainly because the working class has largely accepted either the Trump narrative or the centrist Dem narrative and either believe that the system is just fine and we just need to do something about China and immigrants or that they deserve their lot in life because they did not do well in school. But most are just apathetic because over the course of their lifetime they have never seen an example of the government delivering any benefit to the working class or the working class ever using the power of withholding their labor to gain power and concessions from the ruling class.
So, the answer is that until the working class realizes that their labor is power or the progressive dems get enough power to deliver real progressive programs, you will not see any sort of wide spread revolution in the US. There will be spasms here and there, but people are too divided (purposefully) and to beaten down to get any ideas about taking action against those who oppress them.
Revolutionary change? You mean trying to make more and more things "free"? Which means tax payers will need to pay more and more taxes to pay for this free stuff, which will go the under class who don't work hard or haven't taken the initiative to better their own situation? You mean revolutionary change like wanting to implement policies that would move the US closer to becoming like Venezuela?
If any class would revolt I would expect it would be the middle and middle-upper class. That is the group of people that will be hit the hardest with tax increases and a move towards socialism. If the Democrats have their way the lower class will continue to get more and more "free" stuff, paid for by middle and upper-middle class tax payers. Eventually it could come to a breaking point where the middle class get tired of working their butts off only to see a larger and larger chunk of their income going to pay for those who are lazy, take no initiative or responsibility for the own circumstances, and just want hand outs.
Farmer in Chehalis, Washington wrote:
trickle down lies wrote:
I disagree and offer a controversial counter: the middle class is the laziest group of all. The underclass are uneducated. They often work their tails off in physically demanding jobs. (Warehouse workers, construction, food service, cleaning and janitorial). Some are non-native English speaking. They do not know how to take advantage of economic opportunity on the internet. Many work 2 jobs, night shifts, etc. They work hard, just not smart. Not lazy.
You just described the middle class. The underclass consists of multi-generational welfare dependents.
No I did not. Food service, cleaning, Amazon warehouse are minimum wage hourly jobs with bad or no health insurance. That is NOT middle class. It’s the working poor, or underclass. Maybe in a stretch the “lower middle class.”
Middle class is like a teacher, sales job, personal banker, low-mid level office manager, mechanic, plumber or trade worker who has specific trade education. These are salaried jobs.
Also I’m holding my breath for the lawyer married to the Tech professional who live in Boston and earn 350k a year to jump on here and say they are “middle class”. Happens every time these threads come up ?