This whole Drew Hunter vs. Luis Grijalva thing...

Luis was a 4:02 miler and teare was a 4:00 miler in high school

Luis was clearly not out of nowhere most of us knew who he was

4:02, 8:45, 14:35

Teare and Grijalva were 1-2 in both mile and 2 mile in 2017.

Humidity is my altitude wrote:

I simply believe that Luis may have 10x the level of talent that Drew has, just that Drew has worked himself into the ground to get to the place that he is at.

You can argue that Grijalva may be more talented but you an't argue 10 times more talented.

4 months before his 22nd birthday, Hunter ran 13:21. 4 months before his 22nd birthday, Grijalva ran 13:16. Very similar.

Pretty lukewarm take here. LG was a stud out of HS and has risen to the occasion in college. Same with Cooper Teare. Drew is still a 23 year old with 13:17 7:4x (maybe faster?) and like a 3:35(?) 1500 pb. He will be great as well. I think he might want to consider a new coach like many have discussed on this board.

Also wasn't Drew old for his grade level? like wasn't he 19 or close to it when he ran 3:57?

No. He has a Sep birthday.

He was 18 and 11 months

No. He first ran 3:57 in Feb.

ah

side note everyone that hates on drew is just salty because he went pro and didn't 'pay his dues' in college so to speak.

There are 2 primary components to talent: raw talent and trainability. The former is just inate ability (how good are they with little or no training), the latter just means how much one improves with training and how quickly they get in shape.

Luis has more talent in trainability, and Drew has more raw talent. Luis also has a better coach. If Luis gets a good pro coach he'll have the better career.

Definitely, when I see some of the posts on Jimmy Gressier "sub 13:00 soon", while the guy didn't even break 13:15. I think Luis deserve more hype.

rojo wrote:

Humidity is my altitude wrote:

I simply believe that Luis may have 10x the level of talent that Drew has, just that Drew has worked himself into the ground to get to the place that he is at.

You can argue that Grijalva may be more talented but you an't argue 10 times more talented.

4 months before his 22nd birthday, Hunter ran 13:21. 4 months before his 22nd birthday, Grijalva ran 13:16. Very similar.

Also a good reason why OP was right about the main point they're trying to make. Why can't we just be excited about all of these fast times? There's way too much negativity on here and some of that is on LRC. You chime in on this specific point but rarely comment (because it's your brand & you get quite defensive when it's brought up) on how negative/toxic these boards can be about some of our best stars. Conversations should be different moving forward. I don't get why anybody is coming here to rip Drew when Luis runs fast -- maybe just because it's not explicitly discouraged. Also Drew ran fast too! Get hyped by both performances.

I'm excited by all of these performances. & now everyone can try to improve even more before the Trials. Drew missed a bunch of time & is in 5k PB shape. That's exciting. It's exciting that Luis and Cooper ran fast. It's exciting that tons of people threw down in the 10k.

Both ran well so there is reason to be excited about both of their prospects. Don't forget that Hunter is coming off some injuries and was not quite 100%. Let's hope they can get to the Bowerman level (13:00 or below; Kinkaid, Centro, Lomong) in a couple years.

What is the likelihood of Drew ever leaving Tinman for another coach? I couldn't see it.

sourskittles wrote:

What is the likelihood of Drew ever leaving Tinman for another coach? I couldn't see it.

I’m curious about this too. The boards have seen a lot of criticism to Tinman. I think a lot of it is justified regarding Drew still being with them.

I along with many just want to see drew succeed. We know that is probably not with Tinman.

He signed that 10 year contract though so can he still run for adidas but elsewhere?

It is unjustified. Amazing that 5 guys on Letsrun think they know what's better for a pro athlete than he does and his pro coach and his coach parents. Don't worry about Drew. He will save a bunch of his money. He is happy. He will run sub 13. He will have a college degree. He will have then life that most of dream of.

Curious. How many people need to care in order for it to be a "thing"?

I will argue, that it is not, in fact, a thing but a result of confusing a handful of hyper-engaged people on message boards with the larger running community,

Enjoy your evening.

Thorvaldson is the New FastTuohy wrote:

It is unjustified. Amazing that 5 guys on Letsrun think they know what's better for a pro athlete than he does and his pro coach and his coach parents. Don't worry about Drew. He will save a bunch of his money. He is happy. He will run sub 13. He will have a college degree. He will have then life that most of dream of.

Sometimes "pros" make mistakes

Boston 18 wrote:

Curious. How many people need to care in order for it to be a "thing"?

I will argue, that it is not, in fact, a thing but a result of confusing a handful of hyper-engaged people on message boards with the larger running community,

Enjoy your evening.

I agree, it is not a "thing". It's mostly been crafted by me (and a few other) tinman realists posting a lot over the past few weeks. I've been attempting to change the narrative on Tinman for a while, and it seems like it worked to some extent. I just want Drew (who I think is incredibly talented) to be the best runner possible. And that isn't with tinman.