For those who oppose restrictions and won’t take the vaccine

Harambe is queen fearmonger. You really should get a life. Go for a run, maybe take care of your kids. Do you ever take a break from posting your doom and gloom reports? Seems like you post all day long.

That's the thing with panicheads. They don't have lives so they love the mandates. Now everyone else is a loser like them. Here is an easier way for Harambe to understand death fatality ratios.

https://www.facebook.com/ronpaul/videos/the-cdc-comes-clean-on-the-covid-fatality-rate/975876612925279/

flying squirrel wrote:

Harambe is queen fearmonger. You really should get a life. Go for a run, maybe take care of your kids. Do you ever take a break from posting your doom and gloom reports? Seems like you post all day long.

That's the thing with panicheads. They don't have lives so they love the mandates. Now everyone else is a loser like them. Here is an easier way for Harambe to understand death fatality ratios.

Ron Paul -- sad to see granddaddy libertarian so far off the deep end.

I would gladly race you in a 5K. Loser has to accept the other's stance on COVID risks?

1/2 of what you stated wrote:

I agree with masks indoors. I believe pubs & dive bars, tattoo salons, gentlemen clubs and massage parlors need to be shut down. I believe coffee shops and restaurants should only be open for take out or delivery. Besides polio vaccine, I am not convinced of net benefit of vaccines. Big Pharma are pushing covid-19 vaccine as Big Pharma pushed M.M.R. vaccine. Giving babies one massive does of Measles, Mumps & Rubella only helped/helps Big Pharma. Why couldn't little persons have separate Measles, Mumps and Rubella vaccines? We already know flu vaccine is a racket. I hate seeing polls that millions of lemmings will line up for covid-19 vaccine.

Ever heard of Tetanus, TB, HPV etc

Sally Vicks wrote:

For those who oppose restrictions and won’t take the vaccine what’s your end goal?

As far as I know we aren’t seeing herd immunity.

So you want to leave everything open but also not take a vaccine.

How does this play out if we all followed your advice?

Genuine question.

Historically, every contagious epidemic kills people until the only ones left are either naturally resistant or have caught it and survived. Then the disease dies out. I think that's what needs to happen here and isolating people only slows the rate of transmission. Once the isolation is lessened transmission begins again so to me it seems the best plan would have been to get the disease to the point where it's exhausted it's supply of carriers as quickly as possible. And to me, a disease that will kill well under 1 % of the US population is just not very terrifying, especially when the vast majority of the people it kills were not likely to last much longer. So my goal would be reducing the social and economic costs that the restrictions will create.

Your opening statement is not accurate.

The rest is also wrong. Even when you leave the economy open people have shown caution and businesses have struggled, see Sweden. Most everyone has got a vulnerable parent or grandparent and this impacts their behavior. A vaccine is the best chance we have of saving the economy.

Hospitals would have been overwhelmed if we’d followed your advice.

[quote]Sally Vicks wrote:

For those who oppose restrictions and won’t take the vaccine what’s your end goal?

As far as I know we aren’t seeing herd immunity.

So you want to leave everything open but also not take a vaccine.

How does this play out if we all followed your advice?

My end goal is to remain healthy by not taking a vaccine twice per year every year that makes you sick with flu like symptoms for several days each time.

Sally Vicks wrote:

[quote]flying squirrel wrote:

It's called not being a coward. As they said in WW2, " Keep calm and carry on". Not, " Curl up in a ball, watch endless Netflix, eat junk food and turn my neighbors in".

Newsflash:. Nobody gets out alive.

I’m not scared, youngish and healthy but concerned about the economy.

People need to feel confident going to restaurants, bars, concerts, vacation etc.

Then stop shutting them down.

And scaring the beejesus out of folks with 24/7 fear mongering in the media

Das Unkle wrote:

Sally Vicks wrote:

[quote]flying squirrel wrote:

It's called not being a coward. As they said in WW2, " Keep calm and carry on". Not, " Curl up in a ball, watch endless Netflix, eat junk food and turn my neighbors in".

Newsflash:. Nobody gets out alive.

I’m not scared, youngish and healthy but concerned about the economy.

People need to feel confident going to restaurants, bars, concerts, vacation etc.

Then stop shutting them down.

And scaring the beejesus out of folks with 24/7 fear mongering in the media

Yessss!

Das Unkle wrote:

Sally Vicks wrote:

[quote]flying squirrel wrote:

It's called not being a coward. As they said in WW2, " Keep calm and carry on". Not, " Curl up in a ball, watch endless Netflix, eat junk food and turn my neighbors in".

Newsflash:. Nobody gets out alive.

I’m not scared, youngish and healthy but concerned about the economy.

People need to feel confident going to restaurants, bars, concerts, vacation etc.

Then stop shutting them down.

And scaring the beejesus out of folks with 24/7 fear mongering in the media

You’ve fvcked your quoting up big time.

I haven’t shut anything down, but people won’t fill businesses as long as this virus goes unchecked. So you can get onboard with a vaccine or else say fvck the economy.

Also your unrealistic do nothing plan would overwhelm the hospitals.

You and your ilk simply do NOT have a viable solution.

Sally Vicks wrote:

For those who oppose restrictions and won’t take the vaccine what’s your end goal?

As far as I know we aren’t seeing herd immunity.

So you want to leave everything open but also not take a vaccine.

How does this play out if we all followed your advice?

Genuine question.

The more relevant question is what is the end game for people who want tight restrictions in the absence of an effective vaccine (at least for a few years). It seems like a lot of people believe that a super-vaccine is almost here and will shut the pandemic down if a large percentage of the population receive it. That is still, despite the recent news from Pfizer, etc., a highly speculative and rosy prediction, even if everyone got vaccinated.

Try to take the vaccine out of your mind for a bit, and think how you would like 2021 to go. I'd bet there is a lot more agreement among people that continued restrictions are probably not the answer. If you don't want to get Covid, shut yourself in your house and stay away from other people completely - it is possible to do that to a great degree in this day and age. If you feel the risk is not that great to yourself, then maybe go about your normal life a bit more. Be courteous to others and wear masks, keep a distance. But its should really be up to the individual to decide how much risk is there. Absent a highly improbably vaccine used globally, Covid is here for the foreseeable future, deaths going up and down, up and down, hopefully trending mostly down as better drugs become available.

You’re premise is wrong, there will be an effective vaccine or actually three vaccines in a matter of months.

You’re saying wear a mask I agree and socially distance , but those guidelines are considered an unreasonable restriction by many, those are the people I am challenging. They don’t have a solution.

Agingrunner wrote:

I am pro vaccine. I've taken the flu shot for years and will take this one also (possibly at the end of next month as I am in health care and work in several hospitals). Vaccines are one of the greatest discoveries in the history of man. But hey, it's your body, so your choice. Most of the people I've talked with are going to take it. 3 or 4 that aren't taking it because they think it's novel and we don't know the long term effects. Then there's my crazy liberal aunt who is refusing to take it because of something, something Trump. Oh well.

Oddly, I have never taken a flu shot and have never had the flu.

This Covid vaccine will have to be taken twice a year, every year, and it will make you sick for a few days every time.

Why the heck would I want to do that to myself?

Sally Vicks wrote:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/sweden-has-avoided-a-coronavirus-lockdown-its-economy-is-hurting-anyway-11588870062

A nation that let its businesses stay open is doing as poorly as those that shut their businesses down. Makes perfect sense.

Sally Vicks wrote:

You’re saying wear a mask I agree and socially distance , but those guidelines are considered an unreasonable restriction by many, those are the people I am challenging. They don’t have a solution.

I got one. Don't believe the media or the pols. They are liars. Which any adult ought to know by now

Das Unkle wrote:

Sally Vicks wrote:

You’re saying wear a mask I agree and socially distance , but those guidelines are considered an unreasonable restriction by many, those are the people I am challenging. They don’t have a solution.

I got one. Don't believe the media or the pols. They are liars. Which any adult ought to know by now

Stop playing the role of an idiot parroting sound bytes.

You don’t have a workable solution.

Das Unkle wrote:

Sally Vicks wrote:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/sweden-has-avoided-a-coronavirus-lockdown-its-economy-is-hurting-anyway-11588870062

A nation that let its businesses stay open is doing as poorly as those that shut their businesses down. Makes perfect sense.

Exactly, it’s almost as if there’s a lesson in there for you.

Supply and demand.

https://ldi.upenn.edu/healthpolicysense/why-opening-economy-won-t-be-stimulus-we-re-hoping

Sally Vicks wrote:

browski wrote:

While we may not be there (herd immunity) now, we are on our way. The vaccine will provide a faster route to it, but if we aren't getting there, then you wouldn't see a place like NYC faring so much better than other parts of the country. It's not that we're so much more compliant here, it's that it already ripped through us.

I have zero intent on getting this vaccine.

How long until we’d have herd immunity?

Refusal to get the vaccine will kill the economy.

1.) As everything is permitted to open back up, herd immunity will be reached within 2 weeks. If after that time period we deem it necessary for additional measures, we will keep the economy 100% open for an additonal 6 months to achieve herd immunity. And yes, massive pool parties will be had and enjoyed by all. If youve ever watched VanderPump Rules, you know how fantastic pool parties can be.

2.) Refusal to get the vaccine will ensure that our bodies use their own defenses and thus become stronger.