That is a humongous asterisk.
This guy also did a 50k at a track 2 weeks ago. Lots of long distance at fast times in extremely repetitive & monotonous environments. He either has insane focus or a mental issue
I doubt the treadmill was both accurately calibrated and level.
To run 4:58 pace at 1.5% incline is equivalent to 4:40 pace level or 18 seconds/mile faster. I have NEVER seen any data that remotely concludes the benefit of zero wind resistance is worth 18 seconds per mile. If we are generous and give 6 seconds per mile (over 2.5 minutes for a marathon) that would give him a 4:46 pace or a 2:04:50 marathon!! (plus an extra mile for show)
https://42.195km.net/e/treadsim/
possible but not believable wrote:
I doubt the treadmill was both accurately calibrated and level.
To run 4:58 pace at 1.5% incline is equivalent to 4:40 pace level or 18 seconds/mile faster. I have NEVER seen any data that remotely concludes the benefit of zero wind resistance is worth 18 seconds per mile. If we are generous and give 6 seconds per mile (over 2.5 minutes for a marathon) that would give him a 4:46 pace or a 2:04:50 marathon!! (plus an extra mile for show)
https://42.195km.net/e/treadsim/
BOHlCA wrote:
That is a humongous asterisk.
That he ran it on an uncertified treadmill??
elvid32 wrote:
BOHlCA wrote:
That is a humongous asterisk.
What does this mean? What would the asterisk denote?
Standard Setter wrote:
That he ran it on an uncertified treadmill??
elvid32 wrote:
BOHlCA wrote:
That is a humongous asterisk.
What does this mean? What would the asterisk denote?
Collin wrote:
possible but not believable wrote:
I doubt the treadmill was both accurately calibrated and level.
To run 4:58 pace at 1.5% incline is equivalent to 4:40 pace level or 18 seconds/mile faster. I have NEVER seen any data that remotely concludes the benefit of zero wind resistance is worth 18 seconds per mile. If we are generous and give 6 seconds per mile (over 2.5 minutes for a marathon) that would give him a 4:46 pace or a 2:04:50 marathon!! (plus an extra mile for show)
https://42.195km.net/e/treadsim/
Runworks has 4:57.0 pace on 1.5% incline as equivalent to 4:57.4 pace on flat ground, just FYI (and 4:45.1 at 0%, not 4:40). If this conversion is accurate, I believe that he can run this on a properly calibrated treadmill. I think his 2:11 at Trials shows that he's capable of 2:08ish on a ridiculously fast course (Chicago, London, Berlin, Dubai), and he's still improving.
Have there been other guys like Albertson, who were really good in high school, okay in college in a Power 5 program, given up competitive running, and then been elite as a marathoner (his 2:11:49 in Atlanta shows sub 2:10 ability on a flat course.
His PRs are only 13:56 and 29:37.
Ackley wrote:
Have there been other guys like Albertson, who were really good in high school, okay in college in a Power 5 program, given up competitive running, and then been elite as a marathoner (his 2:11:49 in Atlanta shows sub 2:10 ability on a flat course.
His PRs are only 13:56 and 29:37.
You're an unregistered user, I have no idea who you are, and your calculator is trash. Runworks operates from several sources, one of which is Daniels (they're no longer allowed to use his name, but they used to list that something like half of their conversions were directly from Daniels). I run treadmill workouts all the time, and going to 1.5% from 0% is certainly not nearly as hard as your calculator indicates. It gets even more laughable at higher percentages. I've literally watched someone run mile repeats on a calibrated, $10,000 with the last one at 5.5% grade at 12 mph. Your calculator puts that at exactly a 4:00 equivalent pace at 0% grade. The guy doing the workout was looking for low/mid-4:30s effort on flat ground. Runworks puts it at 4:33. Your calculator puts it at faster than his mile PR, even if we convert for treadmill vs flat ground. Your calculator is trash.
There is no way this guy ran 2:10:00 on a treadmill plus 1 mile!! He broke the treadmill world record by 7 mins. This person could not run 2:10:00 in any conditions. Absurd post.
olyrun wrote:
There is no way this guy ran 2:10:00 on a treadmill plus 1 mile!! He broke the treadmill world record by 7 mins. This person could not run 2:10:00 in any conditions. Absurd post.
Albertson is notorious for these massive ridiculous workouts. This was a near all out effort I'd think and 2:11 at the trials of course he could run under 2:10 if everything broke right.
Or maybe...just maybe...
A guy who PR’ed by 3 minutes on an insanely tough course in Atlanta (From 2:14–>2:11), has in fact, gotten even better in the past year and is in 2:07/8 shape on a fast course, ready to win the Marathon Project. Maybe this treadmill effort is actually closer to truth than fiction.
We’ll find out soon enough.
Ffejtap wrote:
Or maybe...just maybe...
A guy who PR’ed by 3 minutes on an insanely tough course in Atlanta (From 2:14–>2:11), has in fact, gotten even better in the past year and is in 2:07/8 shape on a fast course, ready to win the Marathon Project. Maybe this treadmill effort is actually closer to truth than fiction.
We’ll find out soon enough.
Ffejtap wrote:
Or maybe...just maybe...
A guy who PR’ed by 3 minutes on an insanely tough course in Atlanta (From 2:14–>2:11), has in fact, gotten even better in the past year and is in 2:07/8 shape on a fast course, ready to win the Marathon Project. Maybe this treadmill effort is actually closer to truth than fiction.
We’ll find out soon enough.
CaptainPhillips wrote:
Ffejtap wrote:
Or maybe...just maybe...
A guy who PR’ed by 3 minutes on an insanely tough course in Atlanta (From 2:14–>2:11), has in fact, gotten even better in the past year and is in 2:07/8 shape on a fast course, ready to win the Marathon Project. Maybe this treadmill effort is actually closer to truth than fiction.
We’ll find out soon enough.
Oh I hope so. Younger dude, just needs a few competitive races under his belt and he's going to be a monster.
I just hope he doesn't cause serious injury to himself or shorten his longevity with all of these massive training runs, but he knows what he's doing.
Curious if they will run the Marathon Project as more of a TT, or a championship style race for the win.
CaptainPhillips wrote:
Ffejtap wrote:
Or maybe...just maybe...
A guy who PR’ed by 3 minutes on an insanely tough course in Atlanta (From 2:14–>2:11), has in fact, gotten even better in the past year and is in 2:07/8 shape on a fast course, ready to win the Marathon Project. Maybe this treadmill effort is actually closer to truth than fiction.
We’ll find out soon enough.
Oh I hope so. Younger dude, just needs a few competitive races under his belt and he's going to be a monster.
I just hope he doesn't cause serious injury to himself or shorten his longevity with all of these massive training runs, but he knows what he's doing.
Curious if they will run the Marathon Project as more of a TT, or a championship style race for the win.
