Stop it. Just stop with the stupidity that if we only wear masks, we'll "open up again."

Slow Bro wrote:

No one has ever been able to adequately explain to me why people would WANT a lockdown.

Think about motivation for 2 seconds and you can easily debunk most conspiracy theories.

Why are lockdowns being implemented if no one wants them? Clearly someone wants them.

The oligarchs want them. Wipe out all independence

Slow Bro wrote:

Masks help prevent transmission, but tons of people are flaunting the guidelines, both in public and with large private gatherings. That's why it's not under control. It's not because masks don't work - they do, when everyone wears them and limits time spent indoors with people outside those they live with.

I don't see anyone flouting the guidelines where I am.

Why not just say: "Masks help, but they aren't enough to stop the increase in infections, so we need to lockdown."

Instead we get this mythology that if only we wore masks we wouldn't "need" to lock down.

totorious wrote:

Why are you completely incapable of using the basic quote function?

Because The Unkle is a troll.

The Unkle wrote:

How does 250k covid deaths result in 309k excess deaths?

They did not. Most of the excess deaths are from lockdown measures. The difference in teenagers with suicidal thoughts this year compared to last year should be enough to end any of these lockdowns. Your chances of surviving this if you are under the age of 65 with a BMI < 27 is >99.9999%.

If you are between the ages of 65-80 and otherwise healthy it is a 99% recovery! This only becomes a problem when you're dealing with people over the age of the average life expectancy. Nobody should care about them, when attempting to prevent them from dying is causing a massive year-over-year increase in suicides and drug overdoses of the younger population.

What would Charles Darwin think about sentencing young people to die to protect the unfit? any of the pro-lockdown people want to give me a gander at what his answer would be.

increasing lockdown measures to prevent something from spreading that has a >99.9999% recovery rate if you're under the age 65 with a BMI less than 27 just amazing. More and more suicides incoming, how many are we okay with?

Fun food for thought, how many starvation deaths will there be in Third World countries due to the lockdown measures in first world countries?

Compliance is freedom2 wrote:

Slow Bro wrote:

No one has ever been able to adequately explain to me why people would WANT a lockdown.

Think about motivation for 2 seconds and you can easily debunk most conspiracy theories.

Why are lockdowns being implemented if no one wants them? Clearly someone wants them.

Lockdowns/Covid have been great for Big Tech and online media. Both are seeing record sales/valuations, and not coincidentally are also the ones feeding you the panic news and convincing you to stay at home, click click clicking away.

Compliance is freedom wrote:

Instead we get this mythology that if only we wore masks we wouldn't "need" to lock down.

Blaming the masses for not following the rules allows govt. to claim it's doing all it can without actually locking things down.

You make a scapegoat out of the guy without a mask, and thereby avoid responsibility yourself.

The truth, of course, is that this is nobody's fault and it's just a force of nature that can't be avoided.

Compliance is freedom2 wrote:

Slow Bro wrote:

No one has ever been able to adequately explain to me why people would WANT a lockdown.

Think about motivation for 2 seconds and you can easily debunk most conspiracy theories.

Why are lockdowns being implemented if no one wants them? Clearly someone wants them.

What people want is for the virus to be under control. A lockdown is a way to achieve that.

No one wants a lockdown for lockdown's sake.

So, you either believe that a lockdown wouldn't work, or you simply don't care about the pandemic spreading out of control.

Personally, I think it's too late for lockdowns to do much given the most recent vaccine news. The pandemic has been too politicized, and people will disobey the rules, rendering it ineffective.

But if lockdowns and contact tracing been implemented correctly earlier, and people had complied, we wouldn't be in the situation we're in today.

The vaccine is going to save our ass, even though we don't really deserve it.

The Unkle wrote:

The oligarchs want them. Wipe out all independence

This is the sort of galaxy brain idiocy that I'm talking about. Why would an oligarch want a lockdown? They usually stand to lose a TON of money when the economy tanks.

no masks please wrote:

Compliance is freedom2 wrote:

Why are lockdowns being implemented if no one wants them? Clearly someone wants them.

Lockdowns/Covid have been great for Big Tech and online media. Both are seeing record sales/valuations, and not coincidentally are also the ones feeding you the panic news and convincing you to stay at home, click click clicking away.

This is very stupid. I'm not going to take the time to explain why.

MasksWork?No wrote:

Most of the excess deaths are from lockdown measures.

Well that's just an outlandish f*cking lie.

baa baa wool wrote:

MasksWork?No wrote:

Most of the excess deaths are from lockdown measures.

Well that's just an outlandish f*cking lie.

Okay. locking people inside, denying them human contact, placing covid+ patients into LTC facilities to save hospital space (These are not covid deaths, these are lockdown measure deaths), the second month of lockdown saw a 1200% increase in suicides in NYC ( how many of those listed as folded deaths in the 250k number), thousands of needless deaths from people not getting preventive care. THOSUANDS, and I can keep going.

Slow Bro wrote:

no masks please wrote:

pro-lockdown bozos, sure do love ignoring questions. What would Charles Darwin think about sentencing young people to die to protect the unfit?

Lockdowns/Covid have been great for Big Tech and online media. Both are seeing record sales/valuations, and not coincidentally are also the ones feeding you the panic news and convincing you to stay at home, click click clicking away.

This is very stupid. I'm not going to take the time to explain why.

MasksWork?No wrote:

baa baa wool wrote:

Well that's just an outlandish f*cking lie.

Okay. locking people inside, denying them human contact, placing covid+ patients into LTC facilities to save hospital space (These are not covid deaths, these are lockdown measure deaths), the second month of lockdown saw a 1200% increase in suicides in NYC ( how many of those listed as folded deaths in the 250k number), thousands of needless deaths from people not getting preventive care. THOSUANDS, and I can keep going.

There are ~300k excess deaths. It is an absolute certainty that the things you listed above do not add up to "most" of that (such as more than 200k deaths). Probably not more than a couple thousand. Come back to reality.

MasksWork?No wrote:

This only becomes a problem when you're dealing with people over the age of the average life expectancy. Nobody should care about them

I see you failed your actuarial exams

baa baa wool wrote:

MasksWork?No wrote:

Okay. locking people inside, denying them human contact, placing covid+ patients into LTC facilities to save hospital space (These are not covid deaths, these are lockdown measure deaths), the second month of lockdown saw a 1200% increase in suicides in NYC ( how many of those listed as folded deaths in the 250k number), thousands of needless deaths from people not getting preventive care. THOSUANDS, and I can keep going.

There are ~300k excess deaths. It is an absolute certainty that the things you listed above do not add up to "most" of that (such as more than 200k deaths). Probably not more than a couple thousand. Come back to reality.

math is hard. 309/2 = 154.5 not 200k. the year over year increase in suicides and overdoses is well over a couple thousand -WTF? That's before we even get into measures taken by 5 Democratic governors which resulted in well over 10,000. Couple thousand, You get back to reality.

Slow Bro wrote:

Compliance is freedom2 wrote:

Why are lockdowns being implemented if no one wants them? Clearly someone wants them.

What people want is for the virus to be under control. A lockdown is a way to achieve that.

No one wants a lockdown for lockdown's sake.

So, you either believe that a lockdown wouldn't work, or you simply don't care about the pandemic spreading out of control.

So you do want a lockdown then. Why not just say so? I have no problem with that as long as people are honest. What I am speaking out against is pretending that the lockdown is the anti-masker's fault when, where I am, everyone is already following the mask rules.

baa baa wool wrote:

MasksWork?No wrote:

Most of the excess deaths are from lockdown measures.

Well that's just an outlandish f*cking lie.

Reposted for emphasis. It's not even close. Which is why you haven't been able to support it with hard data.

baa baa wool wrote:

baa baa wool wrote:

Well that's just an outlandish f*cking lie.

Reposted for emphasis. It's not even close. Which is why you haven't been able to support it with hard data.

okay. fortunately anything you emphasize I don't care about. I can support more than a couple thousand deaths from suicide and drug overdoses with hard data, which you're running away from that. well done. Making ignorantly bozo statement and then go back to my original point. Great argument.

The biggest discrepancy is thousands of covid deaths(35k+) you are counting, I count as lockdown measures.