Serious thread about election fraud

six degrees wrote:

Just Another Run of the Mill ex-D1 er wrote:

Or, you could choose to believe the Department of Homeland Security:

https://www.axios.com/cisa-election-security-trump-a385868b-512a-4449-addd-4591829a4aef.htmlhttps://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol

But, don't let facts get in your way…

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Department of Homeland Security calls election:

- "the most secure in American history".

- "There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes or was in any way compromised."

Did either of you actually read the statement? It was carefully worded in such a way that those quotes could be pulled from it (tbh I wouldn't be surprised if the quotes were written first, then the rest of the statement) but on their own they are kind of misleading.

"There is no evidence of lost, deleted,etc..." Is asserting the notion that voting system itself did not interfer with the results (so things like bugs in their software, flaws in their counting process , etc.), it doesn't claim that there is no evidence fraud occurred though.

"Most secure in history" part, if you read further, actually relies on the results of recounts in situations like this. Basically they are saying that one of the key reasons it is such a secure process is because they can tally and confirm the accuracy of the results afterwards (and overturn them if needed). To be fair, thats complelely true, but their means of conveying that information make it sound like the results, as they currently stand, can be attested to by how secure the election process but that is not the case. The recounts need to be happen before their process can safely attest to the results.

To be clear, I don't think there is a shred of proof that anyone cheated so far and I don't expect any to surface, but reading through these threads make me worry about how so few people seem to be able to differentiate between the facts they are being given and the story they are being told. Tip: if homeland security was so sure fraud didn't happen they would be saying just that and they would say it in as simple and clear terms as possible. The fact that they dance around their words the way they do makes it pretty clear that nothing is confirmed by them yet.

LOL, you are doing some intense mental gymnastics. This quote isn't clear to you?

"There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes or was in any way compromised."

six degrees wrote:

LOL, you are doing some intense mental gymnastics. This quote isn't clear to you?

"There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes or was in any way compromised."

I literally just said this but sure I'll try again. The statement asserts that the voting system itself did not do any of those things, not that those things did not happen.

You make it seem like I'm trying too hard to pull those words apart but are you familiar with the underside of PR, media, or marketing? Mental gymnastics is literally the name of the game my friend. It's just usually not reciprecated by the reader/viewer and thats the scary part and the point I was originally making.

just the facts, ma'am wrote:

I'm comfortable letting the courts decide this. Let's check in on what Trump's lawyers are willing to say in a court of law where the rubber meets the road, and contrast that to what Trump and Giuliani are claiming on twitter and in landscaper's parking lots...

Yeah, that lawyer thing turned out well. Some of them actually resigned from this case because it's all so embarrassing.

But I really LOVED that Four Season Landscape parking lot. What a great press conference site that was. This was the Trump campaign in a nutshell.

rlrlrlrlrkrk wrote:

six degrees wrote:

LOL, you are doing some intense mental gymnastics. This quote isn't clear to you?

"There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes or was in any way compromised."

I literally just said this but sure I'll try again. The statement asserts that the voting system itself did not do any of those things, not that those things did not happen.

You make it seem like I'm trying too hard to pull those words apart but are you familiar with the underside of PR, media, or marketing? Mental gymnastics is literally the name of the game my friend. It's just usually not reciprecated by the reader/viewer and thats the scary part and the point I was originally making.

You fail to understand the definition of "voting system." You seem to think a voting system is only machines or people who manually count votes. A voting system also includes security with checks and balances to weed out what you claim is fraud (for which *ZERO* evidence has been produced by President Trump's team of attorneys).

If you go back the the government statement, a voting system in the case of "...all of the states with close results in the 2020 presidential race have paper records of each vote, allowing the ability to go back and count each ballot if necessary. This is an added benefit for security and resilience. This process allows for the identification and correction of any mistakes or errors"

Any evidence of fraud show up in court yet?

On a related note:

https://youtu.be/5pSmwq_13uE

welp wrote:

Any evidence of fraud show up in court yet?

LOL, not really. I saw there was a Trump supporter who voted for his dead mother to "prove" fraud and therefore prove Trump won the election.

dafdasf wrote:

Funny how people just believe when told something is debunked or proven false. There has to be evidence to prove this election was on the up and up when there is evidence of voter fraud, at least locally. Now is it widespread? I'm not certain, but I'm not trusting anyone's words blindly. Show proof, don't just tell me it's not true.

The evidence that the election is on the up and up is that basically all of the accusations of local fraud get investigated and none of them stand up to anything that would match a conspiracy theory. Yes people make mistakes voting every year (see the POTUS who tried to register to vote illegally twice. I am guessing he was just being stupid rather than to commit fraud. Given he is a genius who messed up 2x, how many normal americans do you think make mistakes?). The evidence of them being intentional or caused by a party is down around zero.

But at a certain level. you are asking the impossible. It is really hard to prove that something didn't happen. It is like asking if a runner is clean. There is no way to prove it. You can prove someone is dirty (positive drug test and other evidence) but for the clean guy you are always stuck wondering if they got away with it. Given the incentives involved for someone to be a whisteblower, I think it would be impossible to have a conspiracy in like 2 or 3 states which would get enough votes to make a difference and be able to be kept quiet. We aren't talking about a squeaker like 2000 where like 500 votes was the difference and you had a lot of sketchy ballots. We are talking 10k+ votes. Thats a lot of fraud to pull off.....

Libertarian Christian wrote:

As a Libertarian and a Christian, I do not need “proof” that there was election fraud. I simply depend on my faith. I have the upmost Faith that President Trump will be vindicated for He has the backing of Christ to defeat the radical leftist democrats.

And the Red Sea will part.

Libertarian Christian wrote:

I voted for Trump simply because is the most Christ-like candidate we have ever had. There is a troubling attack on the Christian conservative lifestyle (men being the leaders, female housewives, etc) by the radical leftist democrats and I firmly believe that Trump was delivered to us by God to defeat them.

If I was to take you seriously - which I am disinclined to do - that is the most compelling argument against Christianity I have ever read.

dafdasf wrote:

Funny how people just believe when told something is debunked or proven false. There has to be evidence to prove this election was on the up and up when there is evidence of voter fraud, at least locally. Now is it widespread? I'm not certain, but I'm not trusting anyone's words blindly. Show proof, don't just tell me it's not true.

What evidence that the votes are valid will satisfy you? You personally won't be able to see the tens upon tens of millions of votes. Will the official state certifications be proof in your eyes? Because all the evidence currently shows that votes were accurately counted. The onus is on those challenging that to show proof of widespread fraud significant enough to have made a difference. That doesn't seem to be coming and thus these results will be certified in the coming weeks.

Even when a GOP election official in PA says the vote is valid, then Trump dismisses it by calling him a RINO. The truth is he and people like you that support him so fervently don't care about the vote. You all just want him in charge regardless of what the vote actually was.

Libertarian Christian wrote:

I voted for Trump simply because is the most Christ-like candidate we have ever had. There is a troubling attack on the Christian conservative lifestyle (men being the leaders, female housewives, etc) by the radical leftist democrats and I firmly believe that Trump was delivered to us by God to defeat them.

Jesus was a radical leftist. See what he though of the Pharisees (i.e. the modern conservative churches) and ask why do you think he would judge you any better.

It's still disorienting for me to get to the point where folks think Fox News is being insufficiently sycophantic to a Republican president. Some of you are really too far gone.

just the facts, ma'am wrote:

It's still disorienting for me to get to the point where folks think Fox News is being insufficiently sycophantic to a Republican president. Some of you are really too far gone.

Exactly. Watching Trumpers abandon Drudge and now Fox is really telling. If those sources aren't lying sufficiently enough to support the Trumpers views, you'd think they'd realize that maybe what they believe isn't actually the truth. But no, they just go deeper in the hole to more obscure and even more unreliable sources. Willful ignorance.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Libertarian Christian wrote:

I voted for Trump simply because is the most Christ-like candidate we have ever had. There is a troubling attack on the Christian conservative lifestyle (men being the leaders, female housewives, etc) by the radical leftist democrats and I firmly believe that Trump was delivered to us by God to defeat them.

If I was to take you seriously - which I am disinclined to do - that is the most compelling argument against Christianity I have ever read.

Your best post ever.

If this isn’t satire (and one can’t tell on this forum) this indeed makes you second guess THESE people of faith.

What is your opinion of Sidney Powell and what she is claiming?

Runningart2004 wrote:

The Unkle wrote:

I know.

800,000 vote leads like Trump had in PA frequently disappear.

Nothing to see here

We have also never had this many mail-in votes. Trump had an 800,000 vote lead before Philly vote count came in, much less the mail-.in votes.

Let's do some math sparky...

Polls close. You have an 800,000 vote lead. But with say 80% of the vote in. Let's say there is 1.4 MILLION votes left to count in Philadelphia County and Mail-in. Both of which your opponent will take 8 out of 10 votes. Will you still keep your 800,000 vote lead?

Alan

I posted on a few of the threads and the typical LL and Flagpole morons can't accept what's about to happen.

Go ahead left-wing nut jobs, it's over! Within "about" 7-14 days, everything is going to be turned up and 3 Governors are in BIG TROUBLE!

Doesn't matter if you're left or right, Biden and his team cheated, period. The eye witnesses on the software and what it did is already coming out.

Hate Trump or love him, it doesn't matter. Trump was UP in so many states that it was obvious to any "UNBIASED" normal thinking person. The LL and Flagpole morons are just so ignorant that they'll never see it, even when it's all laid out.

Good luck to those still hanging on, Biden & Harris clearly cheated and they knew what they were going to do.

Watch this mornings Bartiromo interview with Powell. Folks, it's down right scary!!!!! Trump will remain President as he clearly won, they even cheated in California!!!! Shame on Idiotpole and his followers, you guys are so ignorant and such liars you should be banned from this site.

Wait for it, Trump will President for 4 more years.

Cousin Bert wrote:

But I really LOVED that Four Season Landscape parking lot. What a great press conference site that was. This was the Trump campaign in a nutshell.

C'mon, what better site for the Lawn Order party?