browski wrote:
I agree. And I value civil liberties and an open economy higher than anyone's health. I don't care how many people die, it's not the US Gov't's right to force business to close or tell people they can't gather for holidays.
You would have hated WWII
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
KaareV wrote:
The numbers for the 4 last days; 31 deaths and 10 177 infected. Though, I have nit written, earlier, that there will be a rise in deaths. In September 453 deaths October 104. More than the other Nordic countries all together. And you write "and yet no one is dying in Sweden". Sweden is still doing well compared to the rest of Europe, but not compared to the neighbors. Both infections and deaths are on the rise. Whether or not there are any morons present. More and more restrictions in Sweden as of to day. The authorities are extremely worried. With good reason. But you are still clinging to Sweden?
You meant to write 6 deaths the last 4 days but decided to include Sweden's update of 21 back-logged deaths 4 days ago for emphasis. You are a liar.
To call a person a liar is part of a rhetoric that we now see in US. No, 31 deaths in the last four days according to the Swedish Health Authorities, Folkhälsan, at the press conference held by Anders Tegnell at 2 o'clock in Stockholm. Educate yourself. If you have other sources that say they are lying, documentation please. I will not call you a liar, but you have just demonstrated that you do not know the facts. That is just ignorance.
YMMV wrote:
A lockdown is kicking the can down the road while simultaneously shooting yourself in the foot.
I agree with this 100%
7 European countries with over 200 deaths today, a huge increase from the previous four months. UK's running at more than 10 times the daily deaths of the highest # in a day over a three month period around the summer. The U.S. also looks to be well over 1,000 for the day with 850 already at 4 p.m. Take this seriously.
KaareV wrote:
browski wrote:
Have you read the title for the thread?
Sweden took an entirely different approach than the rest of Europe and has fared FAR better than anywhere else. Even with the rise in cases, as we are seeing across the globe the already low mortality rate has dropped even lower.
A better question is, why are you all rooting against Sweden?
Exactly. And to day not very good. In Europe - countries over 1 M - number 5 in deathrate. Why do you ignore the facts. Example: Neighbor Norway, 52 deaths /1M Sweden 590. Are you immune to facts? "You all"? "Rooting against"? Part of the Swedish strategy, it had nothing to do with freedom, as a consequence was herd immunity. It failed. Protecting the elderly. Failed. Sweden has been used by people who are against lockdowns. By the way I like very much to stay in Sweden together with my swedish friends. And some of them are now "rooting against" not Sweden ,but the "entirely different approach". It would be nice to discuss facts with you regarding Sweden, but you are not able to do so. Do you anything at all about Sweden. Though, you are right the mortality rate has dropped. And, actually, because we know a lot more on how to give the right medical care. And the infected are much younger now. But Sweden is much worse of than Finland, Norway and Denmark. Why not one of them as a favorite? The answer so far: They locked down - not for a very long time, but with disipline and patience, those conservative values, you know. Best so far in Europe, the conservative government of Norway.
Dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. Just lies left and right and you have acknowledged you can read a map. Sweden is a much much different country that is much more European in diversity and nature than Denmark, Norway and Finland which are much more homogenous. Compare to Belgium, France, Germany, the UK...those are proper comparisons. You guys are all on full force lie mode...still likely that idiot moron Harambe using multiple handles....cut your garbage, why are you so intent on spreading fear and lies? Why, do you gain from the lockdown and nationwide panic....or are you just sick and demented? While Harambe loves calling people stupid and morons, etc , and insulting everyone's intelligence...he himself is a useless man-child who spends every moment of his life peddling fear on Letsrun...something should seem odd about that. Actually violent about people trying to be hopeful about seemingly good things happening. I Sweden keeps maintaining this low death count, it means the world should get back to life and stop addressing this pandemic in the ludicrous manner we have been forced to accept for this singular viral event. Shut down the liars, they are destroying society and the world at large with no evidence of the effectiveness of their wares.
KaareV wrote:
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
You meant to write 6 deaths the last 4 days but decided to include Sweden's update of 21 back-logged deaths 4 days ago for emphasis. You are a liar.
To call a person a liar is part of a rhetoric that we now see in US. No, 31 deaths in the last four days according to the Swedish Health Authorities, Folkhälsan, at the press conference held by Anders Tegnell at 2 o'clock in Stockholm. Educate yourself. If you have other sources that say they are lying, documentation please. I will not call you a liar, but you have just demonstrated that you do not know the facts. That is just ignorance.
I take that back a little; you are right that Norway, Denmark...did a good job of not locking down much but targeting things effectively. This is true, but Sweden still should be compared to the other big brothers in Europe not Denmark. The other Nordics did not really have a full large long lockdown...they are actually good examples of why we need to lift our own restrictions, and should have months ago.
KaareV wrote:
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
You meant to write 6 deaths the last 4 days but decided to include Sweden's update of 21 back-logged deaths 4 days ago for emphasis. You are a liar.
To call a person a liar is part of a rhetoric that we now see in US. No, 31 deaths in the last four days according to the Swedish Health Authorities, Folkhälsan, at the press conference held by Anders Tegnell at 2 o'clock in Stockholm. Educate yourself. If you have other sources that say they are lying, documentation please. I will not call you a liar, but you have just demonstrated that you do not know the facts. That is just ignorance.
21 of those 31 were adde3d as extra in a single isolated day. Counts for the last ten days in Sweden are 2, 0, 3, 2, 3, 2, 8, 6, 5, 2, 4, 1, 4, 2, 3.......sorry, that is 7 actual deaths from the last 4 days. You added the extras that were added to the total four days ago, but they did not have 20+ deaths on that single day.
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
KaareV wrote:
To call a person a liar is part of a rhetoric that we now see in US. No, 31 deaths in the last four days according to the Swedish Health Authorities, Folkhälsan, at the press conference held by Anders Tegnell at 2 o'clock in Stockholm. Educate yourself. If you have other sources that say they are lying, documentation please. I will not call you a liar, but you have just demonstrated that you do not know the facts. That is just ignorance.
21 of those 31 were adde3d as extra in a single isolated day. Counts for the last ten days in Sweden are 2, 0, 3, 2, 3, 2, 8, 6, 5, 2, 4, 1, 4, 2, 3.......sorry, that is 7 actual deaths from the last 4 days. You added the extras that were added to the total four days ago, but they did not have 20+ deaths on that single day.
If you included this addition reported today over the last 11 days, it is 4 deaths per day....there are clearly lags in reporting in Sweden. It fits your narrative though if you want to count them all in a short period.
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
21 of those 31 were adde3d as extra in a single isolated day. Counts for the last ten days in Sweden are 2, 0, 3, 2, 3, 2, 8, 6, 5, 2, 4, 1, 4, 2, 3.......sorry, that is 7 actual deaths from the last 4 days. You added the extras that were added to the total four days ago, but they did not have 20+ deaths on that single day.
If you included this addition reported today over the last 11 days, it is 4 deaths per day....there are clearly lags in reporting in Sweden. It fits your narrative though if you want to count them all in a short period.
10 million plus people live in Sweden.
Sans Covid, nearly 250 people die per day there.
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
21 of those 31 were adde3d as extra in a single isolated day. Counts for the last ten days in Sweden are 2, 0, 3, 2, 3, 2, 8, 6, 5, 2, 4, 1, 4, 2, 3.......sorry, that is 7 actual deaths from the last 4 days. You added the extras that were added to the total four days ago, but they did not have 20+ deaths on that single day.
If you included this addition reported today over the last 11 days, it is 4 deaths per day....there are clearly lags in reporting in Sweden. It fits your narrative though if you want to count them all in a short period.
As of to day, from "the back log" reported 3197 new infections and 28 new deaths. Numbers are sharply on the rise. I'll post you a new report tomorrow. The natur and the diversity. Not right. Norway and Sweden quite similar. Some differences in culture, though. But all in all the comparation with the other Nordic countries is good. The rise in infections at the same moment, too. It is going in the wrong direction in Sweden now. The lockdown in the other Nordic countries was not total, right you are. After about 6 weeks opening up slowly and carefully. But even Norway, Finland and Denmark has a spike now, but not as bad as in Sweden.
Sweden backfills their data. They do not try to report cases and deaths in real time. The data does not completely fill out until about a week later. Starting on Oct 22, daily deaths have now been reported as 9, 6, 7, 7, 10, 8 through to Oct 27. These numbers were much lower last week and have been back filled. After Oct 27, data has not been back filled yet. The 31 deaths recently reported look to be from over a week ago. This is a clear rise in mortality and would be based on cases that were just at the beginning of he current outbreak, which means that the worst is yet to come.
https://www.newser.com/story/298290/sweden-rethinks-approach-as-coronavirus-cases-jump.html
If dead bodies don't start overflowing into the streets soon, Precocious Royal will have a conniption.
"Two more weeks! Please St. Josef, give us our Precious spike of mortality!"
Harambe wrote:
browski wrote:
I agree. And I value civil liberties and an open economy higher than anyone's health. I don't care how many people die, it's not the US Gov't's right to force business to close or tell people they can't gather for holidays.
You would have hated WWII
And so many people loved having 60 million people killed
Precious Roy wrote:
Sweden backfills their data. They do not try to report cases and deaths in real time. The data does not completely fill out until about a week later. Starting on Oct 22, daily deaths have now been reported as 9, 6, 7, 7, 10, 8 through to Oct 27. These numbers were much lower last week and have been back filled. After Oct 27, data has not been back filled yet. The 31 deaths recently reported look to be from over a week ago. This is a clear rise in mortality and would be based on cases that were just at the beginning of he current outbreak, which means that the worst is yet to come.
https://www.newser.com/story/298290/sweden-rethinks-approach-as-coronavirus-cases-jump.html
Oh my God. Single figure daily deaths in a nation of 10 million.
Three and one-half months of single digit deaths except one day of 10.
Far, far less than is taking place in Massachusetts with its lockdowns and wear a mask at all times rules. A state of only 7 million people.
Precious is also just making up numbers. The official numbers updated 10 minutes ago are lower. He is a compulsive liar, so you should expect it.
You like to call people liars, do'nt you? What you called me is taken out of a text book. You can find many such books. You ought to read some of them. There are many ways to analyze facts. Though, it looks as you are using Worldometer. Again, the numbers from to day: 28 deaths, on Worldometer 13. But you know why, since you are an expert on Sweden, nature and diversity. Or may be not. Did'nt your parents teach you how to show people some respect even if they are wrong?
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
Precious is also just making up numbers. The official numbers updated 10 minutes ago are lower. He is a compulsive liar, so you should expect it.
I use Worldometer because that is what most people are using. If you dig through to the FOHM dashboard, you will see slight variations due to the dates data hits Worldometer versus Swedish local time. Sweden's official dashboard reported 14 deaths on November 1. That is the highest single day number since the June.
Other guy wrote:
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
21 of those 31 were adde3d as extra in a single isolated day. Counts for the last ten days in Sweden are 2, 0, 3, 2, 3, 2, 8, 6, 5, 2, 4, 1, 4, 2, 3.......sorry, that is 7 actual deaths from the last 4 days. You added the extras that were added to the total four days ago, but they did not have 20+ deaths on that single day.
If you included this addition reported today over the last 11 days, it is 4 deaths per day....there are clearly lags in reporting in Sweden. It fits your narrative though if you want to count them all in a short period.[/qu ote]
10 million plus people live in Sweden.
Sans Covid, nearly 250 people die per day there.
First 6 months 51 405 deaths in Sweden, the highest since 1869. In average 4633 more than the years 2015-2019. And in the beginning of this year it was lower than the previous years. Hope that this will give you more insight.
He doesn't want insight. He wants to believe that somehow, unlike any other country, Sweden has immunized its citizens against death (or infection, I'm not up to speed fully on these whackjob theories) by letting the virus run rampant.
And they did so, inexplicably, without suffering. (I mean besides the 6000 dead people). But those 6000 somehow(?) caused the rest of the population to be immune from death by COVID.
I really wish they would flesh out the theory for us all. I mean, maybe other countries could use it? lol
and yesterday, approx 5% of all global covid deaths were in the UK, and 5 % each in Mexico, Argentina and Iran.
The stats are just wacko. Reporting methodology has far more effect on stats than lockdown.