How is Sweden doing with COVID-19 today?

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

So basically we should try anything that sounds good and we don't need evidence to support the actions that devastate a vast portion of the population. It is ok to kill and impoverish millions just to test a hunch because it makes the rich psychopaths feel better about themselves? Why not just follow the already supported idea of building herd immunity then? At least that is how we deal with most viruses? I seems to make more sense to most people, and like you said we don't have time to wait for concrete evidence for this virus so let's just go for it. I mean it would make sense that if we isolate and wear masks then we are just delaying and prolonging the whole outbreak, and potentially making the death total worse as the virus persists longer. I would rather follow that idea, than the nonconventional hunch that this virus is so very different and requires us to take chances with things we know don't work very well. Why don't we just use the standard approach instead of destroying everything for a singular failed outcome.

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

Precious Roy wrote:

Sweden is still at the early stages in their current outbreak. Other countries have been in similar circumstances and have effectively fought back (Victoria, Australia, Israel, Vietnam, etc.). Sweden does have an excellent health system and good tracing and tracking. They can crush this outbreak if they want to.

If they continue their "light touch" and this outbreak continues to spiral out of control, you will see deaths rise in a few weeks. The current outbreak, like many in Europe, started in young people having parties as colleges went back into session in the Fall. The cases take weeks to move from affecting more of the young age groups to spreading into older and more vulnerable groups. When that happens, the deaths will climb. Sweden has a chance to stop that right now and have taken some steps to up restrictions in the areas seeing the most significant outbreaks.

No it isn't. You are full of it dude. Sweden has already had two other case spikes, one towards to the end of June and one in early August...neither were follow by any rise in deaths. You can guess all you want, but that is all it is and you are spreading fear with no evidence and people will suffer in Sweden because of the fear mongering liars trying to incite panic. That blood is on your hands with many other liars.

Harambe wrote:

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

So basically we should try anything that sounds good and we don't need evidence to support the actions that devastate a vast portion of the population. It is ok to kill and impoverish millions just to test a hunch because it makes the rich psychopaths feel better about themselves? Why not just follow the already supported idea of building herd immunity then? At least that is how we deal with most viruses? I seems to make more sense to most people, and like you said we don't have time to wait for concrete evidence for this virus so let's just go for it. I mean it would make sense that if we isolate and wear masks then we are just delaying and prolonging the whole outbreak, and potentially making the death total worse as the virus persists longer. I would rather follow that idea, than the nonconventional hunch that this virus is so very different and requires us to take chances with things we know don't work very well. Why don't we just use the standard approach instead of destroying everything for a singular failed outcome.

1) masks don't kill and impoverish millions, they are low cost intervention.

2) building herd immunity has a known cost as more infections = more hospitalization and deaths

Interventions with different costs and risks should require different levels of evidence before implementation. Why is this so hard to understand?

Precious Roy wrote:

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

No it isn't. You are full of it dude. Sweden has already had two other case spikes, one towards to the end of June and one in early August...neither were follow by any rise in deaths. You can guess all you want, but that is all it is and you are spreading fear with no evidence and people will suffer in Sweden because of the fear mongering liars trying to incite panic. That blood is on your hands with many other liars.

Now you are just trolling. The end of June was a change in testing strategy in Sweden that resulted in a big surge in testing. 7 day moving average went up slightly in August to 291 from a low of 197. 7 day moving average is now pushing over 2,000. Testing is up in October, but nowhere near the ballpark of what would explain the case growth from the 400-500 range to 2,500 to 3,500. Unless something changes very quickly in Sweden, this outbreak is going to really take off. It is the same pattern across Europe. The outbreak in Sweden just came later than others.

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-sweden/coronavirus-cases-hit-daily-record-in-sweden-as-tests-ramp-up-idUSL8N2DO3PN

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

Precious Roy wrote:

Now you are just trolling. The end of June was a change in testing strategy in Sweden that resulted in a big surge in testing. 7 day moving average went up slightly in August to 291 from a low of 197. 7 day moving average is now pushing over 2,000. Testing is up in October, but nowhere near the ballpark of what would explain the case growth from the 400-500 range to 2,500 to 3,500. Unless something changes very quickly in Sweden, this outbreak is going to really take off. It is the same pattern across Europe. The outbreak in Sweden just came later than others.

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-sweden/coronavirus-cases-hit-daily-record-in-sweden-as-tests-ramp-up-idUSL8N2DO3PN

Nice projection effort; you are a lying troll. Why is it always when people make valid point your response is that does not count, only my opinion counts. So far, in all of your post on this topic you have only posted your own fearful fearmongering opinion. You do not show facts, you may declare your opinion on data as fact, but that is not the same. Mostly you just lie, because for some reason you have an agenda you are not giving up on. Who is paying you to post this incessantly via so many different handles; the Biden campaign? Soros? Or are you just insane?

Harambe wrote:

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

Nice projection effort; you are a lying troll. Why is it always when people make valid point your response is that does not count, only my opinion counts. So far, in all of your post on this topic you have only posted your own fearful fearmongering opinion. You do not show facts, you may declare your opinion on data as fact, but that is not the same. Mostly you just lie, because for some reason you have an agenda you are not giving up on. Who is paying you to post this incessantly via so many different handles; the Biden campaign? Soros? Or are you just insane?

He just posted a source explaining the ramp-up in testing in June. WTF?

What about his analysis was wrong? You just called him a liar, but he's the only one posting sources. I've seen about 1 link posted by you ever, LFH (1 or 2 -- can't keep track).

Harambe wrote:

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

Nice projection effort; you are a lying troll. Why is it always when people make valid point your response is that does not count, only my opinion counts. So far, in all of your post on this topic you have only posted your own fearful fearmongering opinion. You do not show facts, you may declare your opinion on data as fact, but that is not the same. Mostly you just lie, because for some reason you have an agenda you are not giving up on. Who is paying you to post this incessantly via so many different handles; the Biden campaign? Soros? Or are you just insane?

He just posted a source explaining the ramp-up in testing in June. WTF?

What about his analysis was wrong? You just called him a liar, but he's the only one posting sources. I've seen about 1 link posted by you ever, LFH (1 or 2 -- can't keep track).

Precious Roy wrote:

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

Here; once again you and your alter ego, Precious Roy, are disingenuous liars:

Number of tests week 23 was ~ 42,000; number of tests in week 46 was ~ 164,000. There will not be a major spike in deaths if everything behaves as it did before. No matter how much you lie, I doubt right now that this will change.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1133055/weekly-number-of-coronavirus-tests-in-sweden/

Testing for September is very close to the rates in October. But positive cases increase ten fold from the beginning of September to the end of October. This is clearly a very different outbreak than anything since the first outbreak in the spring. Absent heroic efforts to suppress the outbreak, there will be an increase in deaths in a few weeks and cases will continue pile up. It won't be what we saw in the spring. But it will still be a very hard fall for Sweden if they do not change course quickly.

Precious Roy wrote:

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

Here; once again you and your alter ego, Precious Roy, are disingenuous liars:

Number of tests week 23 was ~ 42,000; number of tests in week 46 was ~ 164,000. There will not be a major spike in deaths if everything behaves as it did before. No matter how much you lie, I doubt right now that this will change.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1133055/weekly-number-of-coronavirus-tests-in-sweden/

Testing for September is very close to the rates in October. But positive cases increase ten fold from the beginning of September to the end of October. This is clearly a very different outbreak than anything since the first outbreak in the spring. Absent heroic efforts to suppress the outbreak, there will be an increase in deaths in a few weeks and cases will continue pile up. It won't be what we saw in the spring. But it will still be a very hard fall for Sweden if they do not change course quickly.

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

Precious Roy wrote:

Testing for September is very close to the rates in October. But positive cases increase ten fold from the beginning of September to the end of October. This is clearly a very different outbreak than anything since the first outbreak in the spring. Absent heroic efforts to suppress the outbreak, there will be an increase in deaths in a few weeks and cases will continue pile up. It won't be what we saw in the spring. But it will still be a very hard fall for Sweden if they do not change course quickly.

You just described the same situation in June where cases spike about 3-4 weeks after testing spiked up. Care to offer another lie to explain why you are still right even though you are wrong? Next thing that will happen....there will be one day in Sweden with 10 deaths and you will declare yourself a genius again.