Studies find no increase in suicide rates during lockdowns

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

Wait:

(1) Not peer reviewed?

(2) Liberally source?

(3) Little actual data?

I thought Harambe was big on questioning the source? I know he cares nothing about actual data, but why should we trust a non-reviewed study from a politically biased organization 2 weeks prior to the election? Please show a real peer reviewed study and maybe someone would believe you.

Lol -- by this logic anything from a University is "liberally biased" because professors tend to vote Dem.

I treat pre-prints from reputable labs/universities as nearly as high-quality as peer-reviewed literature.

And you're only going after the Yale-Harvard study for Massachusetts lockdown?

What about the findings from British Columbia saying the same thing?

Of course all this data is preliminary and incomplete but the point is -- you all are the ones making the claim that suicides are going to skyrocket during the pandemic -- and as usual you never produce any quality data (or even bad data).

So all you can do is scream "liberal bias" "preprint" rather than either 1) attacking the methodology or 2) presenting data that supports your view.

Is this really a thing? Why would anyone expect suicides to increase?

quote]Sid Rap wrote:

Three separate studies show no evidence of increased suicide rates during lockdowns. Studies from Japan, BC, Canada and Massachusetts found that there were no increases in suicide rates during lockdowns. Yet another COVID myth destroyed. And this is very important as the US is heading into the worst outbreak yet this Fall and early winter. Any chance of avoiding mass death and overwhelming our health system will come from early and decisive action to stop outbreaks from getting out of control.

https://brief19.com/#research[/quote

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Or we can interpret this as if suicides are going up (and they are), it will hurt our lockdown narrative. No. We hate Trump and must remove him?

Did ya even read the article?

“ With a five-year average of 67 annual suicides in the county and continuing population growth, this year’s unconfirmed total of 57 so far may not indicate a much higher level.”

quote]Allen53 wrote:

https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/health-med-fit/suicides-up-in-dane-county-mental-health-experts-see-link-to-covid-19/article_5d89645a-6aa1-5a5f-a4a0-6e90ed11e938.html[/quote

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We know that you are a sociopath with no concern for your fellow humans in need. You have denied the COVID bodycount and sensible measures by any means necessary. You continually contradict your own alleged standards. If suicide isn't up because not all the mortality are in yet, then the COVID body count is also understating the true death toll for the same reason. If liberal states are more likely to lock down and lock downs are harmful, then suicide rates would be up. One thing that could help when many were furloughed was gov't assistance. You should be lobbying Mitch McConnell to get the Senate to consider the Heroes Act.

Not true.

Wife is Japanese and NHK news reports suicides have indeed increased noticeably.

Das Unkle wrote:

Just not credible.

Kind of like when studies tell us Sweden, which did not lock down, is doing worse than its neighbors that did.

You need to apply a bit of common sense.

What do you mean by Sweden not doing it worse than neighboring countries? My colleagues in Sweden tell me otherwise. The same goes for statistic. Same percent of people in nursing homes getting it compared to Norway but many more deaths. It shows that Sweden have not tested enough people for the virus

Allen53 wrote:

This study is worse than garbage it's dangerous misinformation.

This bleeping guy.

Oh how ironic for YOU to make this statement.

Of course we should take these studies with a grain of salt. This is obviously a very stressful time for many, and as such I'm sure anxiety and depression are at very high levels. Doesn't take a college degree to understand this. Logically. there are more "at risk" and likely more considering suicide.

But, how hypocritical of many of you to downplay or disregard these studies when your posts are filled with similar kinds of studies and reports. And since they support what you believe, you are OK disregarding the fact that it's coming from a biased or non-reviewed source.

The hypocrisy is incredible.

appleswan wrote:

Das Unkle wrote:

It's all the same conspiracy for God's sakes.

The billionaire oligarchs have used lockdowns to loot our wealth and destroy our rights.

Just like they did post 911 and again in 2008-2009.

You guys never learn a damn thing.

They sucker you time and again and tell you what to think and you go right along

I'll wager you'll vote for the billionaire oligarch on Nov. 3

You can pay me now.

FinnJak wrote:

Das Unkle wrote:

Just not credible.

Kind of like when studies tell us Sweden, which did not lock down, is doing worse than its neighbors that did.

You need to apply a bit of common sense.

What do you mean by Sweden not doing it worse than neighboring countries? My colleagues in Sweden tell me otherwise. The same goes for statistic. Same percent of people in nursing homes getting it compared to Norway but many more deaths. It shows that Sweden have not tested enough people for the virus

The claim that Sweden's economy, which never got locked down, is doing worse than its neighbors who did lock down, is ludicrous. Clear now?

By the way, Sweden has not had a day with double figure deaths in over 3 months. Most days no more than 1 or 2. In a nation of 10 million plus people. It worked.

That is good news, but I take issue with the dismissive attitude and victory lap at invoking Trump. He was not the only person concerned about the effects of the lockdowns and job losses and that it might lead to an increase. I would also caution this was a study in one state in the US. So maybe a "yet" is in order here.

nahhh wrote:

This isn't really surprising, it's actually pretty interesting. Japan had one of the highest suicide rates in the world, and it's been presumed that a large contributing factor is work-fatigue and stress. I wonder if the lockdowns may have provided relief from working too much. Of course, the article doesn't go into any of that and provides no context, they just say "suicide rates are down." The UK and BC never had particularly high suicide rates.

Regardless of high or not, they are comparing them to themselves not to other countries.

If Sweden's approach really worked by getting herd immunity, then why is there no respite for cases in countries with 2 to 3 times as many cases per million? Just look down the list of countries with many more current cases than Sweden is reporting. Sweden has <11k cases per million, where many have more than 20k or 30k/million. By that logic, shouldn't those countries reached herd immunity long ago? Obviously other things are going on. But we do know that Sweden's death rate remains among the highest in the world at 583/million, so they obviously failed badly while their neighbors kept it down to 20% of that in the case of Denmark or even 10% in the case of Finland and Norway.

Seriously, go f#ck yourself allen. You really are scum of the earth.

NO SERIOUS PUBLIC HEALTH EXPERTS ARE ADVOCATING FOR LOCKDOWNS.

You create an absurd strawman to make the other side into idiots. You really are a low life loser. I wish you would stop posting on this board.

People like you are morons. Not saying you are a moron, just people exactly like you.

Allen53 wrote:

https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/health-med-fit/suicides-up-in-dane-county-mental-health-experts-see-link-to-covid-19/article_5d89645a-6aa1-5a5f-a4a0-6e90ed11e938.html

You do know that Dane County is in Wisconsin. Wisconsin has not had a lockdown since May because the Republican state supreme court struck down the Democratic governor's emergency order and the Republican legislature won't give the governor any emergency authority to issue new lockdowns. So, this may be an example of a lack of lockdowns leading to a mental health crisis as people feel powerless against the virus and see no end to the misery.

zxcvxzcv wrote:

If Sweden's approach really worked by getting herd immunity, then why is there no respite for cases in countries with 2 to 3 times as many cases per million? Just look down the list of countries with many more current cases than Sweden is reporting. Sweden has <11k cases per million, where many have more than 20k or 30k/million. By that logic, shouldn't those countries reached herd immunity long ago? Obviously other things are going on. But we do know that Sweden's death rate remains among the highest in the world at 583/million, so they obviously failed badly while their neighbors kept it down to 20% of that in the case of Denmark or even 10% in the case of Finland and Norway.

Sweden, a nation of 10 million plus people, has not seen a day with double digits in deaths in over three months. It worked.

[quote]Trump Lov3r wrote:

Seriously, go f#ck yourself allen. You really are scum of the earth.

NO SERIOUS PUBLIC HEALTH EXPERTS ARE ADVOCATING FOR LOCKDOWNS.

You really don't see they are preparing us for lockdown this fall and winter?

It's already begun.

My God you are naive.

So, this may be an example of a lack of lockdowns leading to a mental health crisis as people feel powerless against the virus and see no end to the misery.

Even for you that is a mentally disturbed comment that can only come from someone who is a complete psychopath.

You are now officially channeling Nurse Ratched.