Is Not Helpful wrote:
The main purpose of mass education is socialization. So yeah, it's a success.
it actually is. there is a reason why the USA has the status it does in the world. of course, we are slowly losing that status as we become more worried about wokeness and virtue signaling than being the best.
Is Not Helpful wrote:
The main purpose of mass education is socialization. So yeah, it's a success.
It would be difficult to come up with a more dysfunctional method of providing for the social growth of people than the typical school provides.
I am very interested to know your opinion on education in the post-pandemic era, as this is one of the most popular questions today. I really liked the article https://illinoisnewstoday.com/education-boost-in-a-post-pandemic-era/265990/ which tells us that without laptops, smartphones, tablets and computers, get a high-quality personal education, which we we deserve everything, it is almost impossible, and it seems to me that this is indeed the case.
At what stage of development is inclusive education?
Mass education has both pluses and minuses. A child is obligated to receive primary education. Only after that can he choose the direction he likes. Unfortunately, not every school can provide educational opportunities for children with special educational needs. Although the education system is constantly undergoing many changes, special education does not get the attention it deserves. Many children are deprived of the necessary conditions for learning, which negatively affects their development. I believe that inclusive education should be developed in all schools to provide children with special needs with the opportunity to learn.
vladamirs wrote:
Mass education has both pluses and minuses. A child is obligated to receive primary education. Only after that can he choose the direction he likes. Unfortunately, not every school can provide educational opportunities for children with special educational needs. Although the education system is constantly undergoing many changes, special education does not get the attention it deserves. Many children are deprived of the necessary conditions for learning, which negatively affects their development. I believe that inclusive education should be developed in all schools to provide children with special needs with the opportunity to learn.
Agreed. But easier said than done. This would take resources, the resources that most aren't willing to commit to doing this thing right. You actually need qualified, trained professionals to actually plan, organize, implement, supervise and teach. To get the right people in place to do it, you have to be willing to pay them. Can't have quality if you only want to pay peanuts.
Once again, the USA, once the leader in a lot of progressive things is now falling behind. Teachers in the states make absolutely garbage pay. I've heard like $33k/year? In countries with better outcomes, teachers get paid far more - it is recognized as an esteemed profession, such as in Scandinavian countries. In Finland, kids don't get homework, and are smarter than American kids. But their teachers get paid six figures. If you want to live in a country of dumb people, defund education. Then you can pay for the problems in other ways - gangs, drugs, violence, crime, lack of ambition, destructive behaviours in general, etc. It has a corrosive effect on not just the poor, but the rich as well. So you can either pay to live in a happy society through public education and other proven means, or you can pay to bubble yourself off from the people you left behind. Either way you are paying.
Public education and mandatory education are heinous evils. They are harmful to young people, not a benefit. The enlightened viewpoint is that education is a private issue.
The US is too big to have quality, functional, mass education.
There is no one answer to this question as it is a complex and multi-faceted issue. However, it is safe to say that mass education is not working as well as it could be, and many factors contribute to this. Firstly, the education system is struggling to keep up with the ever-changing needs of society. What once considered a good education is no longer adequate in the modern world.The skills needed to succeed are constantly evolving, and the education system is not keeping pace. For example, I learned English because I found English language teaching resources
is this really working? wrote:
We've grown accustomed to the idea of sending every single kid to school, but compulsory education for all is really a pretty new idea. Have our experiences really proven mass education to be a good idea? The average person is still dumb as a bag of bricks. Mostly public education has just shown that you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
Why not just open our schools to those who actually want an education and let people make their own choices about enrollment?
Mass education is a good idea, but the cookie cutter approach is not. We need vocational training in HS, and not just college prep classes. Obama screwed the education up by making it Common Core with every student being required to take college prep.
Elvin wrote:
1-800-JERKSTORE wrote:
Schools need to do away with homework! Nothing sucks the fun out of learning more than being forced to do class work outside of the classroom. Sorry to my friends who are teachers out there but homework has to go! Seriously.
The thing that always drove me crazy about high school was that we would use our class time really inefficiently, then we'd have homework because we wasted so much time in class. For example, we'd spend a whole period in math class going over some stupidly simple concept at a ridiculously slow pace, then we'd have to go do problems at home, but it always felt like the lecture could have been about 10 minutes and then we could have just knocked out the practice problems in class. My perception is that things are only getting worse in this regard.
I don't think we need to do away with homework entirely, but it could be drastically reduced if they used class time more efficiently.
Should have done what I did. I learned the patterns of the teacher, and started to do the homework as soon as I saw the formula. I never took the book home to do homework; I got it all done before class ended.
Shame 45 wrote:
The problem is that school is way too slow. You need to teach the kids a lot when they are younger and keep them challenged (which is not happening). The kids acquire lazy behavior because then they expect education to always come easy.
Make school harder. Especially in the early years. Hold back the slower kids but keep them interacting with those of their age in non-core classes and sports.
Smart phones are ruining this generation of education. Me and my friends cheat on half our tests and quizzes because we can find the answers online with phones under our legs. People will also take pictures of assignments with the right answers and send them around.
Dude, they are teaching concepts in Middle School now that was not taught until High School when I was in school.
Teachers hate homework too wrote:
1-800-JERKSTORE wrote:
Sorry to my friends who are teachers out there but homework has to go! Seriously.
Newsflash: teachers hate homework too. It's one more thing to create, distribute, field questions about, grade, etc. No teacher likes homework, and most teachers understand that HW is not associated with any increase in performance.
Teachers give out homework because many parents demand it. They either want something to keep their kid busy while they make dinner, or they're just so accustomed to it being a normal thing that failing to provide it makes the school seem like they aren't rigorous, high expectation, etc.
I've always said my homework is optional and that I'm not going to grade it, and you should see the looks I get from some parents, it's like I told them I plan on drinking from a flask and napping in the back of the classroom for the whole year.
I stopped assigning homework except for one assignment per week. I assign it Monday, and the kids have until Friday to get it done. There have been very little changes in how well the kids learn it. Those who want to learn it do learn it.
Real Obvi wrote:
is this really working? wrote:
But to give everyone a chance, you just need to make education available. It doesn't need to be compulsory.
Not True.
The people making the decision, if it is not compulsory, (parents) are different than the people who would be or would not be getting an education (kids). So, when neglectful parents opt out their kids are NOT given a chance.
Further, the kids themselves are not mature enough to make a rational decision that will impact the rest of their lives so it is not reasonable to give them the choice either. Indeed, it is not really possible since they are incapable, at a young age, of over-ruling their parents on such decisions.
Bottom line - It is pure fantasy to say "to give everyone a chance, you just need to make education available."
If we treated our right to bear arms like we treat our right to an education, we would require every citizen to own a gun.
Swaglord_the_real_one_1_1_1 wrote:
Only the republicans want crappy underfunded for the majority of the population.
The rich repubs send their kids to private schools so they have a leg up their whole life, no worries.
The poor repubs keep their kids undereducated so they keep voting repub.
It's a vicious cycle.
Hmm the US invested heavily in education after WW2 into the 70's and look where we ended up? Who would've thought.
We need to bring our people up in this globalized world, not every man for themselves.
Such a broad brush you paint with.
1-800-JERKSTORE wrote:
Schools need to do away with homework! Nothing sucks the fun out of learning more than being forced to do class work outside of the classroom. Sorry to my friends who are teachers out there but homework has to go! Seriously.
Learning can take place in the palm of your hand. We have instant access to the entire collective knowledge of humanity in our handheld smartphones. That’s amazing! We can also communicate with total strangers around the world on social media!
How do we fix this problem? Maybe do away with grades? Have daily English, Math, History, Science, Physical Education, Art, Music in class only. When you go home it’s your free time.
We’re all runners here. Imagine if we had to go to practice BUT after practice for cross country homework we had to read a chapter of Daniels Running Formula, memorize the VDOT tables, and then answer comprehension questions on every chapter. THEN we had to memorize all the Track and Field world records, know the former NCAA Champs and training systems used by coaches, etc, etc.
Even Rojo who was an Ivy Leaguer has an occasional typo here. It’s not the end of the world but it makes it more fun and less sterile. For example, I'm a student, and we have a lot of homework. I wish I had less because not everything is helpful and useful and will help me to become a good specialist. I'm interested in my major and getting a degree, but some additional things just take my time and effort. My major is Journalism, and everything I want to do more practice and more tasks related to it. For example, writing. I have to write a lot, and it's very useful for me and for my future. For example, one professor always gives us a task to read on different themes, issues, and so on. The last time I wrote on the army, and here is one source with army sharp essay samples, which helped me so much because I had no idea what I had to write. And even though the task was hard and time-consuming, it still very beneficial for me because it helped me to develop my professional skills - writing, info search, and analyzing. So, I think that we have to reduce the number of tasks and prioritize them.
Well, I can agree that homework is not the most pleasant part of education, but it's really good for better understandting and memorizing info. The problem is that somethimes we have too much tasks, they can be boring, or a student feels too much responsibility because it's obligatory to do it, and they will be punished for not doing it, or doing it badly.
Maybe, that should be changed? Homework can be interesting, interactive, and not boring.
And I think that there should be more practice, it's more effective in education.
is this really working? wrote:
We've grown accustomed to the idea of sending every single kid to school, but compulsory education for all is really a pretty new idea. Have our experiences really proven mass education to be a good idea? The average person is still dumb as a bag of bricks. Mostly public education has just shown that you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
Why not just open our schools to those who actually want an education and let people make their own choices about enrollment?
Rather than a vague thing like intelligence why don't you talk about specific abilities? Specific abilities that are necessary but that some people lack. Specific abilities that are required to do specific things. How about that?
I've always been a big advocate for school choice. Baltimore spends $21k per student but has some of the worst literacy rates (i.e. the equivalent of a 1020 SAT - literally just if you're able to read) in the country. On the other hand, Montgomery County spends $16k and has some of the best public schools in the nation.
Obviously I'm talking about the highly Asian/white schools, but that's obvious due to IQ