I don't wear Nike because of their association with Salazar. The price of the vaporfly and alphafly are steep, anyway. What are the best alternatives? It seems like other brands come out with new versions every month.
Best in terms of performance? Best in terms of price?
There’s a Chinese brand that has one for $100.
It actually looks sweet. Probably falls apart after 20 miles, but looks nice.
The Atreyu one coming out Q1 next year is going to be $100 and has Pebax like the Nike
Runsplit wrote:
The Atreyu one coming out Q1 next year is going to be $100 and has Pebax like the Nike
You can only get it for $100 if you're a subscriber. You should probably add that while you're shilling for them.
red commie wrote:
There’s a Chinese brand that has one for $100.
It actually looks sweet. Probably falls apart after 20 miles, but looks nice.
Isn't that the sort of the unstated question? I am relatively confident that Nike has done testing on their shoe and at least for a certain class of runner it shoes definited improvement. How much faith do you have in some of these other companies? I am sure they can source the foam and some carbon rods but can they stick them together properly?
the carbon atreyu shoe is not a subscription.
hi atreyu... wrote:
Runsplit wrote:
The Atreyu one coming out Q1 next year is going to be $100 and has Pebax like the Nike
You can only get it for $100 if you're a subscriber. You should probably add that while you're shilling for them.
Uhhh not a shill lol don't even own their current shoe. My current rotation is a mix of Nike's and Brooks. And the shoe will be available for non subscribers as well from what ive heard...
I doubt it's a PEBA foam at that price and all the samples sent out so far to reviewers are just EVA.
The Skechers Speed elite is $180, and not under a discount blacklist so can be gotten cheaper. Not quite a direct Vaporfly comparison, though.
King Tiger wrote:
I doubt it's a PEBA foam at that price and all the samples sent out so far to reviewers are just EVA.
"just EVA" is not very meaningful today. Skechers uses a supercritical CO2 saturated EVA in their Hyperburst, which certainly is not your Dad's old EVA of yesteryear.
hr measurement wrote:
King Tiger wrote:
I doubt it's a PEBA foam at that price and all the samples sent out so far to reviewers are just EVA.
"just EVA" is not very meaningful today. Skechers uses a supercritical CO2 saturated EVA in their Hyperburst, which certainly is not your Dad's old EVA of yesteryear.
If it is EVA, then they too must be doing something special to it, as light and yet thick the midsole is in 'The Artist'.
Skechers is releasing a razor elite (not the same thing as speed elite) with a carbon plate in October, for $160, I think...
Runsplit wrote:
hi atreyu... wrote:
You can only get it for $100 if you're a subscriber. You should probably add that while you're shilling for them.
Uhhh not a shill lol don't even own their current shoe. My current rotation is a mix of Nike's and Brooks. And the shoe will be available for non subscribers as well from what ive heard...
I’m not a subscriber and I pre-ordered the shoe for $100. ($108 with shipping)
You can buy it here if you’re interested:
https://www.atreyurunning.com/products/the-artistIts the sketch wrote:
Skechers is releasing a razor elite (not the same thing as speed elite) with a carbon plate in October, for $160, I think...
Very interesting. Is it to have more of the Razor's foam thickness in the forefoot versus the speed elite? They might have something very special, if they could offer it in a wide version as well.
Let me try to ask a less confusing question:
Is it to have a thicker forefoot thickness, as thick as the Razor 3 (or even thicker), compared to the Speed Elite?
Also, I don't understand what Skechers means by a "carbon-infused winglet plate". Are they going to move toward a full length curved carbon plate (aka the Vaporfly) in this new "Razor Elite"?
hr measurement wrote:
Also, I don't understand what Skechers means by a "carbon-infused winglet plate". Are they going to move toward a full length curved carbon plate (aka the Vaporfly) in this new "Razor Elite"?
I'm not suggesting, though, a full-length carbon plate will, necessarily, get the best synergistic efficiency improvement with Hyperburst (in its current durometer).
Runsplit wrote:
The Atreyu one coming out Q1 next year is going to be $100 and has Pebax like the Nike
Yeah, that's the comment that this thread was created to elicit. Congrats. You are either an employee or a sucka
Seth Demoor dissected ATREYU's "The Artist". At least a couple of things stand out:
(1) The foam seems to have quite an intimate bond with the carbon plate;
(2) There appear to be differences between the plate in "The Artist" and the earlier Next% shoes.
Who has run in the Atreyu Artist? How does it feel? Responsive? I'm about to pre-order a pair.