I read a thread on this forum about the possibility of someone running a sub 11 sec 100m while also being able to run a sub 2:30 Marathon.
General consensus was that it was probably not possible at the same time.
The question intrigued me, so I'm wondering if maybe a more reasonable time on a shorter distance like sub 1:30 Half-Marathon was possible ?
Sub 11sec 100 dash and sub 1:30 Half ?
Of course I'm not talking about a 100 with a flying start.
Most likely yes.
For example, Amel Tuka (Silver medalist on 800m in 2019 Doha World Championships, and a PB of 1:42:51) has an "official" but not legal per IAAF terms though but still on their website 100m time measured in a race of 10:93.
I'm pretty confident that any world class 800m runner can easily run a sub 1:30 Half. And a few of them can run a sub 11 100m with a little bit of specific preparation.
i've run 11.52 at 18 , than one year later 1:24 HM ,
10.63 / 4:21 1500
Never officially raced a half but lots of 10 mile training runs in 60 flat...
Sammy Seems... wrote:
10.63 / 4:21 1500
Never officially raced a half but lots of 10 mile training runs in 60 flat...
You must have been badly trained to waste that speed.
Do you have to be able to do both at the same time?
Haha wow there are some morons here. Ever think that he was a 100m specialist who ran a 1-off 1500??
ukathleticscoach wrote:
You must have been badly trained to waste that speed.
usagedenied wrote:
Haha wow there are some morons here.
Ever think that he was a 100m specialist who ran a 1-off 1500??
ukathleticscoach wrote:
You must have been badly trained to waste that speed.
Hard to say all the facts with limited info, but if someone lists their applicable PRs as being 10.63 100 meter/4:21 1500 meter, you assume they have raced the 1500 more than once. PARTICULARLY if they were also doing "lots" of ten mile runs at 6 minute pace or faster. I would imagine that a 10.63 runner who was also able to hold 6 minute pace for an hour would run at least 4 flat in the 1500, if not a good deal faster.
By the time I was able to reliably run 10 mile training runs in an hour or faster, I was probably in at least 4:10 1500 shape. And that was with my 100 meter speed probably between 12.5-13 flat, if I ever raced out of blocks (in other words, WAY slower than sub-11).
Back to the original question, I knew a guy in college who ran 11.3 in the 100 in high school, and ran around 2:45 in the marathon his senior year of college (NAIA track). He wasn't particularly devoted to training, but I think he could have gone either sub-11 or sub-2:30 if he really committed himself to it. I don't think he could have done both at the same time, but perhaps with just a couple years between performances. His actual stats for the 100 meters and half marathon in college were something like 11.6 (he didn't train with the sprinters but occasionally got stuck in the 100), and 1:16 for the half marathon. I always thought he should have been faster at the middle distances, but he never had any real standout performances considering his range.
I ran 1:24 as an old runner with just a few years of training. I can't even run 68 for 400m so I'd bet you all 11sec runners can break 1:30 without too much trouble
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Sammy Seems... wrote:
Dec
Were you doing the 60 minute ten mile training runs while doing decathlon training? If so, I'd bet you were in way better shape than 4:21 (although obviously a 1500 at the end of a decathlon is a different animal).
If the 60 minute ten milers were at a completely different point in your athletic career, I imagine with just a little work, you'd have been able to run way faster than 4:21 for a 1500 (based on the evident fast-twitch ability).
Also, your marks in the 100/1500 are Olympic level for the decathlon! I imagine you did quite well if you were competent at the other 8.
Flo Jo couldn't do a sub-20 5k
manfred lewandowski of poland might be able to do it.hicham el garrouj might have come close,plus makhloufi,seb coe at his peak,steve ovett,amal tuka,fermin cacho,joaqim cruz and quite a few top kenyans.
might be possible, i would bet on a Jeremy Wariner type (would comfortably be under 11 in a 100m while not training specifically for it, capable of running a sub-elite 800m) over a David Rudisha (who if fully dedicated to 100m and did not run any mileage at all probably wouldn't be any faster than 10.9)
1:30 HM is soft. I think the recipe is to find a 400m runner who can run a 10.low and make them run big mileage. They'll lose some 100m speed but they should have enough to spare. A lot of elite distance runners will probably cap out at 11.2 FAT even on pure sprint training, and it'd be questionable if they could even finish a half marathon.
Actually, what would Juantorena have run in a 100m?
I like his 44.2 400m much more than Rudisha's 45.1, and unlike Wariner was not a guess whether he could have been a successful distance runner.
If Jarmila Kratochvilova knew breaking 11 100m was the ultimate goal, she could have done so. Training for 800m usually means 200 & 300 repeats with limited recovery. Training for 100m and 1/2 Marathon would mean: work on start, 50s &150s with plenty of recovery, occasional 10 mile tempo runs and mostly easy miles. Jarmila K. easily could have raced sub-1:20 for 1/2 Marathon. With Feed the Cats sprint training, she could have sprinted F.A.T. sub-11 100m.
flvmmox wrote:
might be possible, i would bet on a Jeremy Wariner type (would comfortably be under 11 in a 100m while not training specifically for it, capable of running a sub-elite 800m) over a David Rudisha (who if fully dedicated to 100m and did not run any mileage at all probably wouldn't be any faster than 10.9)
1:30 HM is soft. I think the recipe is to find a 400m runner who can run a 10.low and make them run big mileage. They'll lose some 100m speed but they should have enough to spare. A lot of elite distance runners will probably cap out at 11.2 FAT even on pure sprint training, and it'd be questionable if they could even finish a half marathon.
David rudisha runs at least 10.7 most likey a 10.5X guy, how would you run 45.1 without a sub 11 100m PR. Most 47 high runners run sub 11.
Probably any sub 46.5 and sub 1:45 800m runners could achieve these marks.
Some sprinters could probably do this on low milage.
i think rudisha is a 10.7-10.5 guy flying. doing this off the blocks is a whole different ballgame. in the 2 or 3 400m's i've seen rudisha run, his starts looked nowhere near 11.0, but the others in the race probably were.
i also agree that many 47 high runners can run sub-11. the question is, can they run a decent 800 without doing a +8s split?
im not sure about 100,but i read his 200 pb was 20.7.i think he would have run 10-3-10.4.
Back in school I could go sun 11 seconds in the 100. I was a 48.xx open 400 guy. 20 years later and I can’t touch those times anymore but I currently cane go sub 130. Sub 125 even. But not sure I could’ve gone sub 145 when I was in top sprint shape. Having that speed and endurance at the same time is gonna be tough. I knew many sub 4 milers that couldn’t get anywhere close to sub 11 in a real 100.
I’d imagine D.Brazier could easily hit those times. I’m sure there are others but it’s not going to be easy or many. The speed/endurance combo AT THE SAME TIME is ridiculously hard.