Fair or foul? Brigid Kosgei gets DQd for stepping on rail in 1 hour world record attempt.

I always thought the rule was the DQ is enforced if the runner gains an advantage by doing so.

I think it's a lame DQ, especially since she stepped ON the line and not inside of it. Plus, like you guys said, this was an hour race. The significance of her doing this is sooo insanely small that I can't see how it would benefit her. She was fading from Hassan in the end anyways, and was well clear of Salpeter 3rd place (officially 2nd after the DQ). Makes me think about the idea of runners in road races running wide from each other for parts of it, given the much wider amount of space they have to run. I don't think that's taken into consideration in terms of an advantage or not (not trying to say it should be), and based on that I don't see how an hour race on a track would be affected by one step on and not inside of the line.

I also think it's tough to compare that to Farah's inside step (which was in 2017 in London, not Beijing in 2015) because he got clipped from behind not once, but twice on the last lap. Wasn't his fault at all and if anything, theoretically his race was more so affected from briefly losing his balance rather than him gaining any benefit from one step inside while running a 55 second last 400.

rojo wrote:

What do you think? Should there be some subjectivity in how this rule is enforced? If the answer is no, please tell me why Mo Farah wasn't DQd in 2015?

https://www.letsrun.com/news/2020/09/sifan-hassan-breaks-one-hour-run-world-record-at-2020-memorial-van-damme/

I don't really understand how they could DQ her to be honest. Talk a bit about it in my video:

Why would they need to DQ her? There is only ONE winner.

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I always thought the rule was the DQ is enforced if the runner gains an advantage by doing so.

Competitors have to run at a minimum, the race distance. If a runners steps on or inside the curb they aren't running the minimum distance and gain a competitive advantage over those that do.

Absolute absurdity to disqualify an athlete in one hour race for basically losing balance and stepping on barrier. She had no intent or interest as purely a matter of give the person 5 yard or meter window and then becomes an offensively easy call to make here. She ran her heart out and deserves her second place time and position.

Thank you

Les wrote:

` wrote:

I always thought the rule was the DQ is enforced if the runner gains an advantage by doing so.

Competitors have to run at a minimum, the race distance. If a runners steps on or inside the curb they aren't running the minimum distance and gain a competitive advantage over those that do.

What minimum race distance? This was a time-based race to see how far an athlete could run in that time. I don't think Kosgei gained any distance advantage by taking one step inside the line at that point.

Should only be given a DQ pass if her last name was Ingebrigtsen. But on a serious note the subjectivity should be if it was deemed intentional or not.

In this case where there was essentially no advantage gained.

This is the problem with track and field. In the tour de France we have cyclists drafting off cars, holding onto cars. If someone breaks the rules they get a time penalty not a DQ.

Why not penalise her 5s of something (which would still be excessive)

It looks like a case where there is no dispute as to the facts nor to the rule. If that's the case there's no question as to disqualification. If you don't like that outcome lobby for a rule change.

Absolutely shameful decision to disqualify Kosgei for this by anybody unnoticed steb ON the curb during those 47 laps. Laughable. Runners have taken full steps INSIDE during 800m races without beeing DQd.

If this does mean she will get less mony for her race, she should take proceedings against the organizer.

Every competition has a lead official for track events and usually a 2nd for field events. There are also usually "games committees" and "jury of appeals" committees for most. Whatever the Van Damme meet had, some person or persons made the DQ call. And the same infraction has occurred in other high level meets and the DQ was not issued. So it's always an interpretation and application and what most on this thread clearly see is that this DQ was unwarranted. I wonder what avenue Kosgei and her coach had to argue or appeal the decision, if any.

another issue with this rule is that it does not exist in the same language or format for all meets. I believe the ncaa rule states 2 consecutive steps on or inside line (either right and left or 2 consecutive lefts) and the NFHS rule is 3 consecutive steps with left or both .

rojo wrote:

What do you think? Should there be some subjectivity in how this rule is enforced? If the answer is no, please tell me why Mo Farah wasn't DQd in 2015?

https://www.letsrun.com/news/2020/09/sifan-hassan-breaks-one-hour-run-world-record-at-2020-memorial-van-damme/

I thought you wanted a law and order President

LAW AND ORDER

DUMB RULE

markboen wrote:

DUMB RULE

LAW AND ORDER

palmers wrote:

another issue with this rule is that it does not exist in the same language or format for all meets. I believe the ncaa rule states 2 consecutive steps on or inside line (either right and left or 2 consecutive lefts) and the NFHS rule is 3 consecutive steps with left or both .

Different levels of competition having different rules is fine. High school kids are still learning so giving them more leeway makes sense.

KD is Goat wrote:

rojo wrote:

What do you think? Should there be some subjectivity in how this rule is enforced? If the answer is no, please tell me why Mo Farah wasn't DQd in 2015?

https://www.letsrun.com/news/2020/09/sifan-hassan-breaks-one-hour-run-world-record-at-2020-memorial-van-damme/

I thought you wanted a law and order President

LAW AND ORDER

Only a mind-numbed leftist would equate this with thugs looting and destroying property and attacking innocent people.