Did you guys just post proof on the front page that MONACO's TRACK is SHORT?

other GPS guy wrote:

did you even read his post? he is saying that GPS will overestimate GPS in basically all cases

GPS readings are not accurate.

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Hardloper wrote:

Star wrote:

GPS is the last way you would measure a track.

Go there with a calibrated measuring wheel and report back with your results.

They won't let you in. Trust me I would know

That's not how you measure a track anyhow. Download and read the Facilities Manual, Star... tracks are measured out with extreme precision, including restrictions on materials used and temperature

Using a gps to accurately determine the length of a track is equivalent to using cricket chirps to measure temperature.

I think OP raises a legitimate question. Based on my own use of at least 5 Garmins, plus a Soleus, over the last 1-12 years, I have NEVER had one read short or even "about right" on ANY track. Every single track workout with every single watch on every single track has resulted in excessive distance. Typically around 0.01 miles per lap. So if I do mile repeats on a track (using the mile start line, not 1600s), my watches typically read 1.03 - 1.05 miles. I realized this a long time ago, so any time I've done a track workout since figuring this out, I hit the lap button rather than relying on auto-lap. I turn the auto-lap off if my intervals exceed a mile, because otherwise it would auto-lap a "mile" when I was still 20-30 meters short of the line. I assume it has to do with the curves, because I can go to any accurately measured/marked bike path and my Garmins will be close to dead on (the Soleus was another story).

I would just like to say that I have wondered for years whether the Monaco track was short. The results that come from that one track met always seem to be faster than any of the runners run on any other track during the weeks leading up to Monaco and for weeks afterward. I have been thinking the Monaco track is short for years. If the race directors want the public to believe the results they should allow the track to be independently measured and have scrutinizers from several countries present to verify the results. In my mind I will always think of the Monaco track as being short and no race results from that track as be legitimate.

Yes, despite the thread getting sidetracked, the OP provides prima facie evidence of a short track in Monaco. It isn't about Garmin or Strava. 'Worthy of journalistic investigation.

floor wrote:

I would just like to say that I have wondered for years whether the Monaco track was short. The results that come from that one track met always seem to be faster than any of the runners run on any other track during the weeks leading up to Monaco and for weeks afterward. I have been thinking the Monaco track is short for years. If the race directors want the public to believe the results they should allow the track to be independently measured and have scrutinizers from several countries present to verify the results. In my mind I will always think of the Monaco track as being short and no race results from that track as be legitimate.

As a previous poster noted you should research how tracks are measured along with the certification process. I personally know the company that resurfaced the track (this summer). The track is accurate.

fyi - there are a few marks on a track that coincide with each other that can help confirm the tracks accuracy. The beginning (old rule) of the last 4 x 100 m relay exchange zone which is 10 meters before the 100m start coincides with the eighth hurdle of the 400 hurdles. (the new rule has the start of the zone starting 20m back where the fly began.) Also, the 100m must be accurate otherwise the hurdle marks for the women's 100 h would not be correct. The result would be that athletes in the 100h and 400h would be crashing into the hurdles.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

They won't let you in. Trust me I would know

That's not how you measure a track anyhow. Download and read the Facilities Manual, Star... tracks are measured out with extreme precision, including restrictions on materials used and temperature

Yeah but they still wouldn't let hadloper in with his measuring wheel to check it. Why is that then?

Because they don't want him to find out the truth.

This is hilarious. People on here love to hate on strava for inaccurate distances, but when Josh posts his world record to strava people think the track is what’s off. No credibility in this thread. Next!

Dear OP. Go outside. Get a hobby. The track isnt short.

dunes runner wrote:

other GPS guy wrote:

did you even read his post? he is saying that GPS will overestimate GPS in basically all cases

GPS readings are not accurate.

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Isn’t that the OP point? That his GPS was too accurate as it normally would be less than a track indicating track was short?

PrZ wrote:

This is hilarious. People on here love to hate on strava for inaccurate distances, but when Josh posts his world record to strava people think the track is what’s off. No credibility in this thread. Next!

You’re basically defending his post

Strava/GPS are not accurate, especially on a Track but the WR race gps is right on 5km indicating: 1)Maybe gps lucked out and got it right or 2) the actual track/distance is off

Chances are it’s #1 but I think valid question

who knows? wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

That's not how you measure a track anyhow. Download and read the Facilities Manual, Star... tracks are measured out with extreme precision, including restrictions on materials used and temperature

Yeah but they still wouldn't let hadloper in with his measuring wheel to check it. Why is that then?

Because they don't want him to find out the truth.

He could fly a drone over it, with a laser range finder.

Sure Spanky. The track is short. We never sent a man to the moon. Trump had a bigger inaugural crowd than Obama. Yada yada yada

I’ve been running threshold runs up to 20 minutes on the track lately training for a track mile. With only one exception has my GPS been even close to my actual distance. GPS has been shorter than where I actually stopped on all occasions even when it has been close. Usually it is upwards of 100 - 150m off.

If his watch works like mine, he would have run farther than 5000m

No idea about Monaco, but I have a good story about the old track at Rieti. So Rieti obviously was a super strange meeting in that even though it was yes, held at altitude and in September a few days after Brussels, was a small afternoon meet that obviously had insane performances - especially in the mid 80's-mid 90's. One performance that always sticks with me was Ovett running the WR there and talking about a photo of him running down the back straight with the trees in the background obviously impacted by what he thought was a 10-15mph wind, and how when he finished he couldn't believe how he ran so fast in windy weather.

But the story I have came from a Swedish agent Kenth Anderson (who is now departed), who was the first agent of Wilson Kipketer when Kipketer became prominent in 94. The funny thing with the old Rieti track markings was that the end of the home straight and start of the curve weren't at the same point. He said that there was so much chatter around Rieti not being a legit length track that on multiple occasions people would try to go and secretly measure the track and would always be met with police at the locked gate who were there seemingly always to protect the secrets of the track.

I mean who knows - but the legend of a track surface being marked short (hard to get a track ratified if it is physically short) isn't a new or exclusive one to Monaco (which honestly I doubt given it's TV exposure worldwide).

Since we are doing old stories, Kenth also told me about the one time Sergei Bubka asked him to strap half his appearance money from a meeting in Madrid to his body to fly it back to Kiev, thus avoiding tax. He said he walked through Madrid airport with something like $15000 strapped to him and there was so much metal in the strips that they set off the metal detector. They thought he was a drug dealer and detained him for 6 hours until Bubka organized for the Ukrainian ambassador in Spain to arrange to have him released. Absolute legend.

Why did the Ukrainian authorities agree to help Bubka with his tax-evasion scheme? They should have jailed Sergei and had his friend extradited.

This post is stupid

You are stupid

God help us all

Bad Wigins wrote:

who knows? wrote:

Yeah but they still wouldn't let hadloper in with his measuring wheel to check it. Why is that then?

Because they don't want him to find out the truth.

He could fly a drone over it, with a laser range finder.

Good point but the bounciness of the trampoline is what I really wanted to know