Why is covid seemingly no longer a problem outside the US?

Armstronglivs wrote:

Expect the unexpected wrote:

Why would you lie? NZ has not eliminated the virus. They are getting anywhere from 1-3 cases per day.

You are an ignoramus. "Elimination" in epidemiological terms is when there is no community transmission. NZ has had no community transmission since the lockdown 3 months ago. The cases that occur presently are from arrivals back from overseas, who are placed in quarantine until they test negative for the virus.

What a fool. First you state they have eliminated the virus then you backtrack and give a different meaning to the word and then go on to say it's ONLY for community transmission. We all know what eliminated means and NZ certainly has not done that. They are allowing international flights into the country which adds high unnecessary risk to the population, and continually adding to covid cases. NZ primarily did well due to its isolation and sparse population density. I for one am much more impressed with Rep. of Georgia.

What interests me now is how the leftist controlled media showed "horrific" pictures of beachgoers in Georgia, California, and Florida and then slammed them for sudden covid spikes which were surely caused by all the beachgoing. Now, after a month of spending time in the NY and CT area, I've seen just as packed if not more packed beaches, yet no one is blaring pictures of that on TV and somehow there are no covid cases. Hmmm

OP: you are wrong.

It’s still a problem. In the UK, we estimate only 30,000 people have the virus, but there is a consensus forming that the R number may be over 1.0 again. So, life is still insane, nothing is ‘normal’ over here and all of these measures we are taking are to get they R number are tough and effecting every facet of life. We had a very gradual easing of restrictions, and it seems that’s still too quick! A similar story in Spain, France, Belgium, Italy and Croatia. Probably all of Europe...

It is spiking in countries that are in air conditioning mode with an OA enthalpy greater than the RA enthalpy and in countries in heating mode. Northern Europe and Canada are doing fine because they rarely have air conditioning. Most of Europe is at a latitude closer to Canada.

"Through leadership and good management countries like New Zealand have eliminated the virus (no community transmission). The US hasn't because it has lacked leadership."

New Zealand is an island separated by vast ocean. Even so they may not done with coronavirus. This virus is highly transmissible and sustainable, meaning its easy to catch and easy to pass on.

It's not lack of leadership in the US. It's people's irresponsible behavior. Just stay away from others, wear a mask where not possible and wash your hands. How difficult is that? Be your own leader.

rareff wrote:

"Through leadership and good management countries like New Zealand have eliminated the virus (no community transmission). The US hasn't because it has lacked leadership."

New Zealand is an island separated by vast ocean. Even so they may not done with coronavirus. This virus is highly transmissible and sustainable, meaning its easy to catch and easy to pass on.

It's not lack of leadership in the US. It's people's irresponsible behavior. Just stay away from others, wear a mask where not possible and wash your hands. How difficult is that? Be your own leader.

I wonder how these central European countries are having meets where literally nobody is wearing a mask... even the older people (officials, etc)???

"I wonder how these central European countries are having meets where literally nobody is wearing a mask... even the older people (officials, etc)???"

Have you seen the news and/or statistics recently? Countries that were doing very well just a month ago are now in a very different position and getting worse. Unfortunately this virus is not going away unless everyone takes simple precautions.

Run by yourself for now. Get a simple watch and time yourself. Next summer or the next you can enjoy meets.

Because the media in the US wants this to be a problem. It's a cudgel to bash Trump, and it generates fear and therefore clicks...a twofer for the media.

I think people in other countries might have realized that covid simply isn't the big scary monster that we've hyped it up to be.

WHAT the science? wrote:

"Maybe you don't understand the guidance if you're asking questions like that." Is exactly the thing I'm talking about - like the second you ask "hey Boulder County, you have passed an ordinance that says you must wear a mask when passing a person on a trail show me data supporting that you can catch covid when outside, walking by a person for a couple of seconds in a large field. The response is then "you're an ignorant anti-science trumper". My political persuasion is moot here - we should all be asking these questions. I see a very troubling trend of an inability to have a respectful exchange of ideas that ties out to facts, or at least peer-reviewed data.

There is a distinction between those two. One is an ordinance, the other is something someone made up to try to prove a point. No one has said wear a mask on your ranch in Wyoming.

I think you might have missed the point of my post. We are again debating a government ordinance and trying to frame it as a science debate. It's not a science debate. Maybe Boulder thinks the majority of its citizens will feel safer just seeing masks out on the trails. It would be up to you to go to a city council meeting and say, "Hey, this ordinance isn't supported by any of the science. Why did you pass it?" And then debate it with them.

My experience with the Boulder City Council is they want to make life as miserable as possible for people that visit Boulder. It wouldn't surprise me if Boulder County passed that ordinance just to try to discourage outsiders from visiting. See how this isn't a science debate?

Science should be the reason for ordinances. I agree with the OP: there is ZERO evidence suggesting that covid is spreading outdoors on any meaningful scale at all, never mind by simply passing another person for one second on a trail or sidewalk.

The government has a role to keep people safe, but they also have a role in controlling anti-scientific hysteria. There's no scientific reason whatsoever that runners and hikers should be expected to wear masks.

The fact that the majority of you knuckleheads believe this scamdemic is sad. Damn near ALL of you believe what your Idiot Box (aka Tell-A-Vision 'Programming') tells you

Armstronglivs wrote:

what science wont tell you wrote:

The move diverse the population is, the quicker the virus mutates. We are screwed in the USA. DIEversity = death.

The virus spreads because of contact where there is less social distancing, wearing of masks etc. Covid doesn't distinguish between races, ethnicities, cultures, genders and ages - all can become infected. Through leadership and good management countries like New Zealand have eliminated the virus (no community transmission). The US hasn't because it has lacked leadership.

Of the six countries in Oceania, NZ is #5 in death rate, i.e. second-to-worst. Twice the rate of #4, Fiji. Hardy an example for the world.

The virus is still a problem around the world.

It's just worse in the U.S. than most places, because we are afflicted with Trumpers who have made it a political point not to follow sensible health guidelines.

This would be fine if only the Trumpers got sick and died. The rest of us could give them Darwin Awards and get on with our own lives in a better world.

But unfortunately the Trumpers not only get the virus themselves, they spread it to everyone around them. This is only one of many reasons the rest of us refer to them as "Deplorables."

joedirt wrote:

It is spiking in countries that are in air conditioning mode with an OA enthalpy greater than the RA enthalpy and in countries in heating mode. Northern Europe and Canada are doing fine because they rarely have air conditioning. Most of Europe is at a latitude closer to Canada.

AC is always on in Houston. Your theory is interesting and valid. But the truth is that all indoor shopping malls, grocery stores, office buildings, hospitals, etc. run HVAC systems 365 days a year. Cities in the southern US run cooling systems starting in March. Only in the poorest areas, where Covid appears to be raging, is there a lack of indoor cooling.

fools gold wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

You are an ignoramus. "Elimination" in epidemiological terms is when there is no community transmission. NZ has had no community transmission since the lockdown 3 months ago. The cases that occur presently are from arrivals back from overseas, who are placed in quarantine until they test negative for the virus.

What a fool. First you state they have eliminated the virus then you backtrack and give a different meaning to the word and then go on to say it's ONLY for community transmission. We all know what eliminated means and NZ certainly has not done that. They are allowing international flights into the country which adds high unnecessary risk to the population, and continually adding to covid cases. NZ primarily did well due to its isolation and sparse population density. I for one am much more impressed with Rep. of Georgia.

Still determined to prove your ignorance. I have only used the term elimination as it is used by epidemiologists, meaning there is no "community transmission" of the virus. NZ is allowing its citizens from overseas back into the country, where they are required to quarantine. Of course some have Covid, but they are not spreading it because of the quarantine restrictions. NZ has had only 22 deaths from Covid and has no restrictions now on public activities - unlike the R of Georgia, which also has a smaller population than NZ - 3.7m to 4.8m. But feel free to go there - because your IQ isn't high enough for entry to NZ.

YMMV wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

The virus spreads because of contact where there is less social distancing, wearing of masks etc. Covid doesn't distinguish between races, ethnicities, cultures, genders and ages - all can become infected. Through leadership and good management countries like New Zealand have eliminated the virus (no community transmission). The US hasn't because it has lacked leadership.

Of the six countries in Oceania, NZ is #5 in death rate, i.e. second-to-worst. Twice the rate of #4, Fiji. Hardy an example for the world.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

NZ has a population of nearly 5million, with only 22 deaths from Covid. (Compare that to Sweden, with it's population of 10million and approaching going 6 thousand deaths). Fiji, on the other hand, has a population of only 800,000. The other islands in Oceania have smaller populations still. NZ's larger neighbour, Australia, has nearly 200 deaths and is currently experiencing another outbreak. Apart from the controls at the border, life is back to normal in NZ. For someone who disregards science it is unsurprising you are equally ignorant of facts.

I will actually point out that "Good Science" is not repeatable. A staggering number of publications in "high end" journals such as Nature, Cell, and Science, are just bluntly impossible to replicate. The majority of the studies are generally garbage that has been presented in a way that makes them seem significant.

There are a few studies that ARE able to be repeated with good measure, but these are the exception rather than the rule, which is quite unfortunate.

Can't tell if you're being purposely thick or just have the IQ of a protozoa. You didn't state you're using the language of epidemiologists in you original post did you?

Georgia is close to the population of NZ in a much smaller area. 103000 sq miles for NZ vs 26000 for Georgia. More importantly Georgia is surrounded by very populous countries while NZ is in the middle of nowhere. They damn better be able to control covid spread. Now, Georgia has had very little restrictions from the beginning and still do, certainly no one wearing masks outdoors and have all shopping malls open.

Restaurants have been open. Taking all that into account and the important number which you purposely avoided, with Georgia having only 16 deaths, they are clearly far superior in their actions to your pseudo utopia NZ.

effing duh wrote:

Because Trump is an idiot.

yeah, and your girl Hillary would have done what? Exactly, you sour grapes dummy;)