Wilson Kipsang banned for 4 years

You didn't ask me, but I will give my opinion anyway. Ethiopia is likely next.

They have already had some near misses, for example, the Jama Aden bust in Sabadell, Spain.

Also, I am not sure who mentioned the UK and US not busting athletes. The US, a country that celebrates sprinters like rock stars, Christian Coleman has been provisionally suspended.

Salazar has been banned.

So I don't think they are covering stuff up. I think the Kenyans are incredibly sloppy because they have never had to be careful. The out of competition testing is a fairly new thing in Kenya, where as North American athletes consider it a cost of doing business and for the most part thank the doping control officers for doing their job. They don't climb out of windows and run away and they don't make claims about extortion et al.

Sorry, but ARD TV exposed Kenya as an open market for performance-enhancing drugs.

And you can't play the race card either, Russia is about as white as you can get. Their whole country is banned.

What lies are these then?

That more than 1% of Kenyans are dopers?

You think a former marathon world record holder intentionally presenting fake evidence to explain missed doping tests isn't concerning? And you claim not to be a Kenyan doping apologist.

Well, you're not a Kenyan, but you certainly are a doping apologist.

No matter how many times we present these arguments to the likes of El K and the other East African doping apologists ('American and British sprinters get busted', Russia actually banned etc), they will never even attempt to answer them - just continue to play the race card.

It would be nice to think that the probably even worse doping culture in Ethiopia is being finally reigned in, but I'm not entirely optimistic. I was reading some previous news articles and saw that there was a false dawn there only a few years back.

Exactly...and that's what El Keniano and some of these ill-informed posters can't comprehend that keep playing the race card with the Kenyans. Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians are Slavic which equals caucasian which is white (a lot of blond & blue eyed people over there...who would have thought). I have Slavic ancestry and know a thing or two about this culture.

Like you said Russia has been banned - and not for just one Olympics but two, FFS! Ukraine & Belarus on are the same "high risk for doping" list that Kenya is currently on. Kenya is a PED-Powered nation that has doped just as much and as hard as the Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, etc. Kenyan athletics should get banned but they get a break from the IAAF. It's playing favorites letting the Africans off the hook and going after the Slavics!

It doesn’t say anything about doping, just missed test. Maybe they should carry a cellphone.

So does Kipsang just hope that COVID 19 continues for another 3.5 years, then his banned will essentially not missed anything!

dodge ball wrote:

So does Kipsang just hope that COVID 19 continues for another 3.5 years, then his banned will essentially not missed anything!

Well.....he will be over 40 then and most likely quit running by then.

El Keniano wrote:

Yet Kenya doesn't make excuses or cover for them because - rules.

Kenya’s Athletics Team Manager from Rio 2016 is still banned. It’s alleged he promoted PED use in Kenya, warned Kenyans about doping tests in exchange for money, and even provided excuses for athletes to use if they got caught. That’s tantamount to a national endorsement of PEDs.

He also tried to get money (£10,000) from reporters posing as coaches in exchange for warning them about tests. His defense? He claimed that he was actually investigating the reporters (who approached him) because “there were a lot of white people in Iten who were actually moving drugs and doing all those things”.

El Keniano wrote:

An athlete that can barely read failing to file ADAMS whereabouts properly isn't the sport’s worst enemy.

Kenyans typically don’t become pros without an agent, a coach, and a training group. You’re acting like they should be justified in just ignoring regulations despite having support personnel. There are no excuses for such a simple task.

It’s really hard to believe anything nowadays,you can’t enjoy a great performance without thinking something is amiss.

Even Kipchoge,if these guys running few minutes slower than him are doping,how are we meant to believe he’s clean running times thought out of reach a few years ago?

Radcliffes record was an outlier for years then taken down at Chicago by Brigid Kosgei who finished it looking like she’d just jogged,is it easy to believe that’s legit?

It’s so sad because it takes the shine off any clean performances.

Wet Coast wrote:

Also, I am not sure who mentioned the UK and US not busting athletes. The US, a country that celebrates sprinters like rock stars, Christian Coleman has been provisionally suspended.

USADA let Coleman off the hook with three missed tests, by changing one of them into a failing failure (and then backdating it) because the USADA tester allegedly started the procedure at 8:01 instead of 7:59, after arriving at 7:55. AIU had to move in for the kill, catching Coleman with a fourth missed test that led to the provisional ban.

Well you can believe that to be incompetence or protection. Either way, it reflects poorly on USADA.

Also fact: USADA also let several athletes off the hook despite positive A and B tests, buying their hilarious stories a la contamination from kissing, eating, ...

Another fact: Farah still hasn't been caught...

I remind everyone that a "Whereabouts failure" is a non-doping anti-doping rule violation.

It is an administrative failure, or a coordination failure.

"Tampering " with the process, in this case, is also a non-doping anti-doping rule violation.

Per WADA’s interpretation. And yeah, that sounds fair. If athletes have to give up an hour a day, doping control officers shouldn’t be able to penalize them if they themselves are unable to show up on time. Showing up at 7:55 for a 7-8 appointment is cutting it awfully close. Coleman only got hit with the filing failure because his whereabouts information proved to be inaccurate. Had he been there, this particular failure would’ve been an open-and-shut case of DCO incompetence.

How exactly does this reflect on USADA in any way? They tried to have Coleman banned the first time. Only when they got WADA’s interpretation did they let him off the hook. If anything, this tells us it’s WADA that’s the problem.

Also, don’t count your chickens before they’re hatched. I personally hope Coleman gets banned since I think he’s a drug-fueled cheat. However, if the allegations that the address was wrong are true, that would only serve to prove the AIU’s incompetence.

Wet Coast wrote:

I think the Kenyans are incredibly sloppy because they have never had to be careful. The out of competition testing is a fairly new thing in Kenya, where as North American athletes consider it a cost of doing business and for the most part thank the doping control officers for doing their job. They don't climb out of windows and run away and they don't make claims about extortion et al.

John Ngugi was banned in 1993 for refusing an out of competition test at his home in Kenya so how is out of competition testing there a new thing there?

NativeSon, El Keniano, the reason you are seeing so many in Kenya getting busted is because they are doping more. Plain and simple. So now we have a former male WR holder in the marathon get busted, and you still want to suggest that people have run something like 90 seconds faster, and clean? Contemporaries no less, not another generation.

That is not to say all US runners are clean, because I don't believe that either, but I do know it is harder, more expensive, and with less upside for an American. Running in the US is basically poverty level job for all but the very best. You can't walk into a pharmacy and bribe the guy for EPO.

Imagine a screenshot like this for all marathons 2:04 or faster. Would be interesting. Doping at the highest level is still a major issue.

https://twistedsifter.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/the-fastest-100m-times-ever-with-names-of-people-caught-doping-crossed-out.png?w=800&h=827

rekrunner wrote:

I remind everyone that a "Whereabouts failure" is a non-doping anti-doping rule violation.

It is an administrative failure, or a coordination failure.

"Tampering " with the process, in this case, is also a non-doping anti-doping rule violation.

You are misrepresenting it. A whereabouts failure is not an administrative failure, as such, otherwise the accumulation of three of them could not be construed as a doping violation. Tampering with the process is also construed as a doping violation. This is because avoiding tests and tampering with the process are actions taken by dopers to avoid being caught.

FatScottishJogger wrote:

It’s really hard to believe anything nowadays,you can’t enjoy a great performance without thinking something is amiss.

Even Kipchoge,if these guys running few minutes slower than him are doping,how are we meant to believe he’s clean running times thought out of reach a few years ago?

Radcliffes record was an outlier for years then taken down at Chicago by Brigid Kosgei who finished it looking like she’d just jogged,is it easy to believe that’s legit?

It’s so sad because it takes the shine off any clean performances.

Ah, the unimpeachable Paula Radcliffe. Anyone that runs faster than this pristine superwoman must have used chemical assistance. Brigid is not a fraction the athlete Paula is, right? Explains the collective meltdown British commentators had when formerly great Britain's last running record got erased from the books.

I've said it before: UKAD, with their farcical zero busts, are the biggest joke in the sport. They're just window dressing at this point.

Case 1) 8:01 is correct. Then yes, USADA's tester screwed up by cutting it too close, but USADA should have backdated that right away, and then 13 months later they'd have no reason to act at all. This means that USADA is at best incompetent, for not knowing the rules. At worst, they screwed Coleman. Either way, it reflects poorly on USADA.

Case 2) 8:01 was made up to protect Coleman. Then USADA or its tester is corrupt. Either way, it reflects poorly on USADA.

Any other scenario where USADA would look good?

See above regarding USADA. Yes, Coleman might get away again because of a screw-up of USADA/AIU. I hope not, but in this rotten sport, who knows.

NativeSon wrote:

I still don't understand why Kipsang decided to tarnish his name at the sunset of his career.

Same as Kiprop. He was so used to winning that he couldn't handle father time catching up with him. AK should have a psychologist on retainer.