Robert Brandt ROASTS Tinman and Drew Hunter gets feelings hurt

Sure, Usain Bolt has a terrific entertainer's personality which makes him super marketable. But the reason he's even marketable in the first place is because of his significant victories in Beijing - the biggest part of "entertaining the fans" is from his winning. He wouldn't have the massive platform he has today without his wins to back him up.

Rob should join Hansons or Boulder Track Club where hard work is celebrated. Both would probably embrace an anti Tinman attitude. BTC would be more fun because he would be able to laugh at Tinman on a daily basis.

Hardwork outweighs hype.

And your point is? He came third in his last championships and still went on to appear on multiple TV shows adverts football teams etc afterwards.

The sprinters that came before him are not as well known and neither are the sprinters after him. They were winners and set world records.

WVN is a similar caliber athlete and he has not achieved even 10% of the popularity and fame. Maybe not 5%.

Winning is a big part of your appeal for sure, but their are hundreds of winners and hardly any of them are even known of. I've never seen an interview with half of them, even really well known athletes. Hardly ever a social media post. I don't know anything about their personalities, what they thought about a race, how they are feeling ahead of a race, how training is going etc. And I follow the sport closely.

Nick Symmonds didn't win much on the world stage but made an effort to market himself to the public.

Like it or not, athletics is a sport. Sport is entertainment. Anyone that thinks they are doing this to achieve greatness for themselves is narcissistic and will never come close to realising their market potential. That's the problem with 99% of athletes, athletics promoters and the IAAF structure itself.

Consider football, the players are contractually obligated to provide media interviews. Have a think why.

Not sure this is worth renewing, but Drew changed his Strava bio to read “0x All American.” LOL

Imagine that, a wannabe wrote:

Not sure this is worth renewing, but Drew changed his Strava bio to read “0x All American.” LOL

Hahahaha that's pretty clever!

Seems like he took it pretty personally tho

I bet drew reads every single post on letsrun about himself and cries.

He seems like the type of person who would make a fake account and post in his own defense.

albanese wrote:

More FAKE NEWS from Phil.

You posted his 4th ever XC race, one month into his first ever XC season You are comparing a race he ran with more than a year of running to a race he ran with ONE MONTH experience and was likely at 15-20 miles per week. He eventually ran 16:43 as a freshman:

https://va.milesplit.com/meets/120198/results/221367/raw#.XvZ2I2hKg2w

4:33 in the 1600:

https://va.milesplit.com/meets/137431/results/250947/raw#.XvZ3FGhKg2w

4:10 in the 1500:

https://va.milesplit.com/meets/143880/results/253240/raw#.XvZ3S2hKg2w

9:40 in the 3200:

https://va.milesplit.com/meets/132830/results/252765/raw#.XvZ4RWhKg2w

I'm sure Joan could give more exact details, but, yes, all of the above races took place during Drew's freshman year with very limited training. The coach at the time had the team running very little- occasionally skipping running altogether and doing yoga and pilates during practice instead. Practice lasted from 4:15-5:30PM, so you can imagine it wasn't great training in just that 75 minute window. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe he even played basketball that winter...though that might have been his best training.

Joan took over Drew's training going into his sophomore year. Not to take away from her success with him, but almost anything would have been a massive improvement from his previous coaching.

Flipside wrote:

I'm sure Joan could give more exact details, but, yes, all of the above races took place during Drew's freshman year with very limited training. The coach at the time had the team running very little- occasionally skipping running altogether and doing yoga and pilates during practice instead. Practice lasted from 4:15-5:30PM, so you can imagine it wasn't great training in just that 75 minute window. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe he even played basketball that winter...though that might have been his best training.

Joan took over Drew's training going into his sophomore year. Not to take away from her success with him, but almost anything would have been a massive improvement from his previous coaching.

Phil's entire argument is blown to crap. His worship of tinman is based on LIES.

Sad!

Joan Hunter coached Drew Hunter (her son) already since May 2012 - BEFORE his freshman year!!! She herself credited his massive improvement during the freshman year to the CV training she prescribed him.

The info about him originally wanting to become a basketball player is correct, but he wasn't fast-twitch enough and too short at 6'0".

Joan Hunter: I don't have a lot of advice, but wanted to say that our son (Drew) is similar- rising freshman, starting shooting guard on MS team, also has school record in mile (5:20) and the pacer (122?) on very minimal training (a few 20 minute easy runs over a few weeks). We don't have middle school track; this was just in PE class. We are also trying to balance the parent-coach thing. Our son has recognized he probably does not have the talent or height to go to college and play basketball (5'9" now, might make it to 6 feet if he's really lucky) and is now going to run cross country this fall. He is not terribly receptive to either me or my husband coaching him, which is too bad because his high school team/coach are terrible. Though I'm not sure how we could successfully coach him anyway if he's under the supervision of the hs coach. I am pretty stressed out about this because I have had many former youth athletes and parents of mine complain about the coaching situation.

OUr plan for the summer (if my dear son cooperates) is to gradually increase his mileage up to 25 or 30 miles a week, probably 5 days running, with one day of CV reps and one day of longish warmup, hills and quick strides on the flat (sort of a combo workout.) This will put him head and shoulders over the other kids (not that that is saying much.) The coach will probably think this is too much running. She actually told one of my former athletes, a rising senior when she came on board as head coach, that he ran too much over the summer when he built up to 50 miles a week. She told him to drop back and only run 15 miles a week till "the other kids catch up to to you in fitness." ::)

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LRP: One of his early XC races was the 18:15, on a slow course. He did improve ~5 weeks later to a 16:43, on a fast course. He was doing Tinman training (CV, strides, tempos, easy long runs, hills, etc..) to achieve that. Of course, in the beginning improvements are the biggest, but we still can't compare XC races since some are slow and some fast, depending on the course.

What we do know is that the same course from the 18:15 became a 15:45 the next year. After, 12 months of his mum coaching him prescribing Tinman training and often posting in Tinman's forum for advice for her son.

Again - Hunter is a combination of EXCEPTIONAL TALENT and TINMAN TRAINING from the beginning - he has never done anything else. BEFORE Tinman Training, he ran a 5:20 mile on a few 20 min jogs couple times a week. If Joan Hunter hadn't started coaching him prescribing Tinman training, the terrible XC coach they had (LV was a bottom tier team, the limitation of mileage to 15 mpw and spending 1 hour playing frisbee and soccer each practice just doesn't work) wouldn't have been able to build him up and no one on these boards here would be talking about Drew.

I just think it's funny that these morons at Tinman think they are killing the running game. Robert Brandt is 100000% correct, and is just simplynpointing out what pros, semi pros, and elite college runners think of the group.

To add to that, these guys are so full of themselves. Patronizing Sydney Gidabuday while taking videos flexing in front of Mount Rushmore, RACISTS!!! Wearing stuff like "Bet on Women" while running under a coach and team name called Tinman, SEXIST!!! Hypocrites and stooges. Watch as they go and scrub their accounts after reading this, instead of writing an apology. Exposed.

Wow, all of you idiots who complain about running not getting enough attention and equate success with times and medals instead of a progression and achieving one's limit are actually what's wrong with he sport. Tinman rocking the lates Adidas looks and posting videos where they look effortless running a tempo is what a lot of amateur runners want to project themselves onto, just like a basketball fan loves watching a massive dunk from an NBA player, there's an allure there.

All you morons who think that runners should be humble and stay quiet until they run a 27:20 10K are missing the point, that's not what gets attention or inspires people. A 3:58 miler who has aspirations, an understanding of culture, an understanding of trends, no matter how vapid that may be, that's what the sport needs to attract the next generation, not some humble blue collar runner who we never see. Think Jake Riley, that dude looked like he came out of 2006 with his outfit at the trials, sure he trained hard and made an olympic team but how many people are paying attention to him? His interviews were boring and predictable AF.

A bunch of you think that if a race director of your local turkey trot isn't wearing cargo shorts with a wrinkled pair of white socks and a pair NBs is trying too hard to look cool. Y'all need to get real. Promoting the attempt to become a better runner while tying in the "coolness" of a brand is exactly what the sport needs to grow. We live in a vapid world and it's never going to change so wake the eff up, there's nothing wrong with wearing a fresh pair of Nikes especially when you're talking about world records, the Shelby Houlihan's insane range, the latest virtual dual meet etc. with your running pal. Being plugged into the spirit and history of the sport and buying into the hip running culture are not mutually exclusive.

If the sport of running ever want to get real traction it needs to be like the NFL, NBA, MLB....athletes in those sports who are no where near setting 3 pointer, RBI, or touch down records still have a ton of swag and style and give the common person something to be a fan of. Stop shitting on elite runners who have the confidence to produce training videos for your enjoyment and motivation that may not be at the top of the sport yet.

It's Just Running wrote:

Robert Brandt sounds like a lowlife loser with a very fragile ego who feels the need to drag others down with him. Then he had the gall to double down and claim "it's just a joke bro lighten up hurr durr." What an a$$hole.

I don't give a $hit about what Tinman has or hasn't done. Robert's comment was unnecessary, bizarre, and disrespectful.

Hi drew

Will McAvoy wrote:

Mr.Andy wrote:

Well this is America mate not the UK, every america is blue collar that’s what makes us the best country in the world

Mate, America is not the best country in the world. Your politics is imploding and you're letting COVID gut your population. Your time has been - it's gone. Your country is the laughing stock of the world at the moment.

You sound like a special kind of retard.

Since this thread died down, I’ve had another friend ask me about who Tinman is after seeing a video from them on social media.

Still waiting for the day anyone will ever ask me about Bobby Brandt.

One guy gets it. Everyone else fetishizes working hard for no reward or recognition.

Nice video. Kinda dramatic to give sam's shirt toss an Inception 'whoosh', but it was fun. Tinman Elite has been getting some good cameras i see

Amory wrote:

Imagine that, a wannabe wrote:

Not sure this is worth renewing, but Drew changed his Strava bio to read “0x All American.” LOL

Hahahaha that's pretty clever!

Seems like he took it pretty personally tho

Pretty sure he's had it as that for a long time

Running fans know Robert Brandt. I don't know Bobby Brandt. Who is he? I guess you didn't even have to wait 1 day for someone to ask.