ex-runner wrote:
[quote]ex-runner wrote:
It doesn't make sense that you can argue that three/four Brits all appearing in the same period with no drug testing from one small country running some of the fastest times the world has ever seen (even by todays standard) is fine, but at the same time three guys from different countries with a combined population of about three times the UK, is suspicious.
All your arguments against the Africans can be used against your Brits in the 80s. And all your arguments for the Brits success (competition spurring eachother on) absolutely applied to the Africans taking turns at breaking the 5k WR.
There was drug testing. Britain led the way in drug testing. Why did Brits get slower when EPO became available a few years after with literally NO testing and it not being illegal for a few years? According to you, for British middle-distance runners doping is only worthwhile if it's illegal. Explain to me how 17 year old Steve Cram, whose parents couldn't even afford him decent running shoes, was autologous blood doping in order to get under 4 minutes. Or why Steve Ovett, who was apparently roided to the max, didn't appear even interested in WRs until Andy Norman and promoters pressured him to respond to Coe? Or why Coe was the man who actually did the most to make blood doping illegal and then arguably ran low 1:43 at nearly 33 several years after he had successfully got blood doping illegal?
No my arguments can't be used for three British runners. You think they can, but that's because you're an imbecile. Then you'll get somebody from Pineda's management giving you a +1 and you'll go back to p hub and think you've had a worthwhile day.
If there was no drug testing in the UK, there was no drug testing anywhere. Do you really think Britain was so uniquely corrupt at that point (and for seemingly just one decade) as to doping to explain Coe, Cram, Ovett?
You haven't a clue about statistical likelihood because you're a moron. Yes it is far more believable that 3 great runners appear at the same time in one country, rather than a much bigger area. That's why smaller statistical samples are less reliable than larger statistical samples.
And go back and read what I said about coaching set up etc you doper head.
El G set his 3:26.0 in 1998. Komen set his records in 96 and 97. Bekele in 04/05. So a 6 to 7 year window, with the two truly ridiculous unbeatable ones occuring within 2 years of each other EXACTLY at the height of the EPO era - both runners either declining suddenly or retiring before EPO testing came in.
And let's not forget Ngeny's 1000m WR set in 1999, beating arguably the greatest WR in track history (Coe's). Just lke Komen, Ngeny had very dramatic and suspicious decline.
Steve Ovett's first WR was in 1978, Steve Cram's last in 85.
Britain had dominated middle-distance running along with their Australasian cousins for 100 years. The 70's and 80's were the only brief period in British history since the 18th century (when sub 4 minute miles were allegedly common) when athletics was a mass participation working class sport. In any other decades of the 20th/21st century, Cram, Ovett, and perhaps even Coe, would likely never have become runners.
The population of Africa has almost doubled since the early 90s. There should be twice as many Komens, El Gs, Ngenys, Bekeles. Yeah, El G would be a marathon runner today. CLEAN!
All the reasons commonly given by doping apologists here as to why Africans didn't dominate BEFORE the 90's - war, poor infrastructure, lack of role models etc. are even more the case today than the 90's. So why has Kenyan track fallen off a cliff (with the exception of one training group in Rongei) and the only countries showing progress or a return to former glories countries that might actually have benefitted from the flow of Italian coaches, Spanish managers, and EPO, out of Kenya - such as Ethiopia an Uganda?
C'mon ex-runner, tell us who you really are. Actually, I don't even believe you made the heats of an 800m at the UK Championships. You said in one post that 'none of you know what it feels like to run close to sub 2-minutes for 800m'. You never broke 2 minutes, despite admitting doping. So you're bitter and twisted and need to believe that doping doesn't work and that Africans are a running 'master race' that white people like you never stood a chance against anyway.
I bet you even got into Loughborough or wherever you did your sports science diploma through your doping.