It's the flu, sheeple! CDC fianally admits they were wrong!

Also, the excess death numbers completely disprove all this "miscounting" BS.

The denier morons always just change the subject to (((Space Lasers))) or something when you bring this up.

1. What excess deaths numbers?

2. How do we know this is due to Covid and not the response wherein people could not get regular healthcare, suicides, drug oDs, alcohol issues, murder, and even traffic deaths are all up?

It's pretty simple.

"Covid deaths" include anyone dying for any reason is they tested positive for Covid or are suspected of having Covid.

This is hardly a legit counting method and clearly designed to overstate the Covid deaths.

Look into it. Test positive for Covid and get run over and killed by a car 3 weeks laters and you get added to the Covid death total. You doubt this? Look into it.

We are being fear mongered and it ain't for our good. It never is/ All the lies we are constantly fed (about Covid and other things) are being done for the interest of the ruling class and hurt us

Harambe wrote:

Also, the excess death numbers completely disprove all this "miscounting" BS.

The denier morons always just change the subject to (((Space Lasers))) or something when you bring this up.

There are thousands of cancer patients waiting for surgery in several European countries. Waiting because everything, all resources, have been directed to covid.

I am sure you and your ilk, the Roys, the 2600 bros, you love to imagine the suffering your fear mongering is causing, and will cause, to countless people and their friends and families because of your hysteria.

You people, you are responsible for many more deaths than covid will ever cause.

Exactly you are right! I've known this for awhile...

thwr wrote:

There are thousands of cancer patients waiting for surgery in several European countries. Waiting because everything, all resources, have been directed to covid.

I am sure you and your ilk, the Roys, the 2600 bros, you love to imagine the suffering your fear mongering is causing, and will cause, to countless people and their friends and families because of your hysteria.

You people, you are responsible for many more deaths than covid will ever cause.

Wrong. There are plenty of countries in Europe that had strict lockdowns but never had a huge COVID outbreak. Their excess deaths are not that high!

Controlling COVID = controlling excess deaths.

Basic math. Still too hard for the deniers who need to concoct elaborate what-ifs that have no data to back it up.

Das Unkle wrote:

It's pretty simple.

"Covid deaths" include anyone dying for any reason is they tested positive for Covid or are suspected of having Covid.

This is hardly a legit counting method and clearly designed to overstate the Covid deaths.

Look into it. Test positive for Covid and get run over and killed by a car 3 weeks laters and you get added to the Covid death total. You doubt this? Look into it.

We are being fear mongered and it ain't for our good. It never is/ All the lies we are constantly fed (about Covid and other things) are being done for the interest of the ruling class and hurt us

COVID is listed as the underlying cause on more than 91% of death certificates involving COVID.

You're wrong as usual. I've told you this dozens of times but you are too dumb to update your information.

Too dogmatic! The hallmark of an average mind.

We don't have a lot of successful miracle drugs right now, but the death rate was up 15% in 2020, despite the pandemic hardly killing anyone prior to mid-March.

I've said it on numerous occasions. Almost all deaths have multiple comorbidities. 94% of cancer victims have comorbidities. You name it.

Masks and social distancing in the southern hemisphere last summer more or less kept the flu from spreading there and so the northern hemisphere got very little flu. Masks and distancing have worked with what little we've had, whereas COVID had already spread widely before any measures were introduced. COVID is also a lot more contagious.

False. One person w/COVID got into a motorcycle accident and died, and was temporarily counted as a COVID death, until the record was corrected. A death counts as a COVID death where the judgment is that it caused their death or that they wouldn't have died at that time without it.

Quick, tell Herman Cain's family, that it's only a Flu ! Also, masks don't work ?!?

Harambe wrote:

thwr wrote:

There are thousands of cancer patients waiting for surgery in several European countries. Waiting because everything, all resources, have been directed to covid.

I am sure you and your ilk, the Roys, the 2600 bros, you love to imagine the suffering your fear mongering is causing, and will cause, to countless people and their friends and families because of your hysteria.

You people, you are responsible for many more deaths than covid will ever cause.

Wrong. There are plenty of countries in Europe that had strict lockdowns but never had a huge COVID outbreak. Their excess deaths are not that high!

Controlling COVID = controlling excess deaths.

Basic math. Still too hard for the deniers who need to concoct elaborate what-ifs that have no data to back it up.

Are you stupid?

Did you read what I wrote? Because your reply has nothing to do with what I mentioned, tens of thousands of cancer patients waiting for surgery because hospitals have been postponing them thanks to the almighty covid.

Basic math. Still too hard for fear mongers to grasp it.

THOUSANDS OF CANCER PATIENTS are not getting their necessary, often life-saving surgeries, because of the covid hysteria you and your ilk promote!

You have blood on your hands, you idiot! You don't care about children, young people, adults, old people, dying of cancer and other illnesses because all that matters to you is "being right" and push your covid agenda.

Have you had anyone close to you die of cancer? Have you seen the pain? The suffering? Sometimes dragging on for months or years?

You are a disgusting piece of manure.

And guess what! You are wrong, as usual, with your generalizations. I am not a denier. I don't deny covid exists and covid kills.

You are the denier, refusing to admit, refusing to see, that many more people are dying and will die because of pieces of shi.t like you.

Of course the vaccination$ will be annual.

The flu vaccine was supposed to be a one shot for your lifetime like all other previous vaccines.

zxcvzxcv wrote:

False. One person w/COVID got into a motorcycle accident and died, and was temporarily counted as a COVID death, until the record was corrected. A death counts as a COVID death where the judgment is that it caused their death or that they wouldn't have died at that time without it.

Just not so.

According to NBC affiliate KGW in Oregon, if you die in a car crash in that state and previously tested positive for COVID-19 that's automatically considered a COVID-19 death.

Dr. Deborah Birx said that while some countries are reporting coronavirus fatality numbers differently, in the U.S. you are counted as a victim of the pandemic if you die while testing positive for the virus, even if something else causes your death.

There are other countries that if you had a preexisting condition and let's say the virus caused you to go to the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem some countries are recording as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death. Right now we are still recording it and we will I mean the great thing about having forms that come in and a form that has the ability to market as COVID-19 infection the intent is right now that those if someone dies with COVID-19 we are counting that as a COVID-19 death.

The CDC itself caused a stir at the end of August by estimating that the virus directly caused only 6 percent, or now just over 11,000 of the 187,000 attributed deaths. Most of these deaths were in the elderly.

The remaining 94 percent died with and not exclusively of the coronavirus. These people also were on average elderly and had 2.6 other health problems. This implies a good fraction who succumbed had three or more comorbidities. In other words, most deaths attributed to the coronavirus were in very sick people.

Unfortunately, tests for the presence of the bug are prone to false positives. This is when the test says somebody has a current infection when they don’t. The test can mistake past infections as current, or even tag infections of other coronaviruses. The one causing COVID-19 is only one among many.

Diversion of essential care is a problem. You are likely overstating it because you provide no sources. People who need immediate lifesaving care are still getting it.

If people like you had respected the disease, hospital ICUs wouldn't be full of COVID patients right now. The virus wouldn't be replicating as much, slowing evolution. Lots of chances that we threw in the trash.

Are you not up in arms about the 400k Americans who dead because of COVID "hysteria?" When triage needs to occur in hospitals it is because we have failed to control the virus. That is the mistake -- not "hysteria."

The Unkle wrote:

The remaining 94 percent died with and not exclusively of the coronavirus. These people also were on average elderly and had 2.6 other health problems. This implies a good fraction who succumbed had three or more comorbidities. In other words, most deaths attributed to the coronavirus were in very sick people.

Unfortunately, tests for the presence of the bug are prone to false positives. This is when the test says somebody has a current infection when they don’t. The test can mistake past infections as current, or even tag infections of other coronaviruses. The one causing COVID-19 is only one among many.

91% of death certificates involving COVID had COVID as the underlying cause.

Do you understand what this means? Even an average intellect can grasp it. Don't let me down.

Harambe wrote:

Also, the excess death numbers completely disprove all this "miscounting" BS.

The denier morons always just change the subject to (((Space Lasers))) or something when you bring this up.

Go back to school. You chose wisely when you registered under the name of an ape.

"Excess deaths" can be from anything. "Disprove" is your correct admission that the burden of proof is yours to show that the supposed "excess deaths" were all caused by coronaviral disease. You have no more means of proving that for the general population than for the disease.

After this nonsense, you gleefully smear your opponent and paint a straw man, as if an educated person would find that compelling.