Lance Armstrong admits doping may have caused his testicular cancer as disgraced Tour de France winner confesses he was a drug cheat from the age of 21... NINETEEN YEARS before he was caught and banned.
When asked what age he was when he first began doping, he replies after a long pause for thought: 'Probably 21'.
Armstrong turned 22 just one month after being crowned the road race world champion so it seems likely that he was cheating before the first major win of his career.
Yep. Fairly common knowledge for the die-hard fan.
After the comeback, it was "well-known" that he/Ferrari wouldn't use HGH for fear of it being because they feared it had caused the initial cancer.
So, so, so ironic, how he became this hero for cancer survivors while knowing all along he may have caused his cancer with his own doping.
Absurdity.
This is really old news.
I always figured just the mere fact of spending that much time crouched down in the bumpy saddle could cause enough chronic damage to result in a cancer.
Cancer is such a crapshoot. Is it possible? Maybe. But then there’s BJ, The Greener, Pharmelita, etc who seem to be fit as fiddles. Then there are Ackbar and FloJo, not so much.
Not cancer, I know, but whatever. I personally believe that taking hormones etc can F you in every way possible, including cancer. Moral issues aside, it is why I would never touch the stuff. With my luck, I’d get everything.
I just re-watched the Alpe d’Huez TT on youtube yesterday, where he made a mockery of the world of cycling, like BJ in ‘88 and Dolt in ‘08. Was he doing twice as much as everybody else? It was a WTF moment that I will never forget.
There is a strong correlation between EPO use and cancer. A huge proportion of EPO users have cancer.
How strong is the correlation?
Here’s Lance Romance in that TT:
41:42 in that video is wild. Check out what's written on the road. In chalk you see in huge bold, "EPO LANCE" followed by "LANCE SUCKS" and "F*** LANCE." Wonder how the guy felt when he crossed over those.
Zante wrote:
41:42 in that video is wild. Check out what's written on the road. In chalk you see in huge bold, "EPO LANCE" followed by "LANCE SUCKS" and "F*** LANCE." Wonder how the guy felt when he crossed over those.
"This is one of the best batches yet!"
Sprintgeezer wrote:
How strong is the correlation?
The correlation between EPO and cancer is a result of the fact that EPO is given to chemotherapy patients to prevent/treat anemia that results from the treatment. So it's true that a high proportion of EPO users have cancer, but the causation is that cancer results in EPO use, not that EPO use results in cancer.
Too funny.
Lance was about to giveaway some Tour doping secrets with his identity concealed but one of the cameramen blew it! ?
common knowledge wrote:
Yep. Fairly common knowledge for the die-hard fan.
After the comeback, it was "well-known" that he/Ferrari wouldn't use HGH for fear of it being because they feared it had caused the initial cancer.
So, so, so ironic, how he became this hero for cancer survivors while knowing all along he may have caused his cancer with his own doping.
Absurdity.
Hgh does not cause cancer. It would only cause a cancer that is already present to grow faster than it would otherwise. Oddly, it has a stronger affect on colon lesions.
Elvin wrote:
Sprintgeezer wrote:
How strong is the correlation?
The correlation between EPO and cancer is a result of the fact that EPO is given to chemotherapy patients to prevent/treat anemia that results from the treatment. So it's true that a high proportion of EPO users have cancer, but the causation is that cancer results in EPO use, not that EPO use results in cancer.
Correct. Epo’s potential complications typically seen are blood dyscrasias, deep vein thrombosis/pulmonary embolism/stroke, and good ol hypertension.
bpc-157 wrote:
Elvin wrote:
The correlation between EPO and cancer is a result of the fact that EPO is given to chemotherapy patients to prevent/treat anemia that results from the treatment. So it's true that a high proportion of EPO users have cancer, but the causation is that cancer results in EPO use, not that EPO use results in cancer.
Correct. Epo’s potential complications typically seen are blood dyscrasias, deep vein thrombosis/pulmonary embolism/stroke, and good ol hypertension.
They were talking about HGH, not EPO. Read the posts in this thread.
Only 4 people in the NOP doping scandal were in the "inner circle", Rupp, Armstrong, Parker and the ring leader Salazar.
Zante wrote:
41:42 in that video is wild. Check out what's written on the road. In chalk you see in huge bold, "EPO LANCE" followed by "LANCE SUCKS" and "F*** LANCE." Wonder how the guy felt when he crossed over those.
Yeah, I saw it. Every year I pay attention to all the road graffiti. Phalluses are usually pretty funny when the race is getting “serious”, and the commentators grave.
EPO LANCE was huge, though. Hilarious that the French cameramen and producers chose an overhead shot in that segment. I was waiting for Basso to make some Italian gesture when Armstrong blew past him, bit he didn’t.
Re: HGH accelerating existing cancer growth: another totally unsupported idea I nurture is that we all have cancer bubbling up in our bodies all the time, but that it normally gets defeated almost instantaneously. The organism is incredibly complex. If that has any merit, or if there are many undiagnosed cancers that don’t affect normal function, HGH accelerating tumor growth is yet another reason to not introduce exogenous hormones into the body.
At last, Lance is finally honest. In baseball, Jose Canseco also admitted the tremendous power of steroids....with them he hit about 460 home runs...without them he said he would have hit about 260....we're still waiting for the Kenyans to come clean....nobody was better than Jim Ryun, 3:51 on a cinder track without epo....maybe John Walker, 3:49 on a synthetic track...these two far and away best milers ever......
Piano_Man87 wrote:
bpc-157 wrote:
Correct. Epo’s potential complications typically seen are blood dyscrasias, deep vein thrombosis/pulmonary embolism/stroke, and good ol hypertension.
They were talking about HGH, not EPO. Read the posts in this thread.
I did read it. I already made a comment clarifying that hgh does not cause cancer (maybe you missed that comment), and was reaffirming they correction of misinformation regarding EPO.
Sprintgeezer wrote:
EPO LANCE was huge, though. Hilarious that the French cameramen and producers chose an overhead shot in that segment.
+1
That Lance was a drug cheat, was public knowledge in Europe after his positive tests in 1999. His positive EPO tests continued to be brought up in various newspapers too. Only some die-hard fans were still defending him here over ten years later.
And sadly, neither UCI nor USADA nor WADA ever dared to or could catch and ban him during his active years.
common knowledge wrote:
Yep. Fairly common knowledge for the die-hard fan.
After the comeback, it was "well-known" that he/Ferrari wouldn't use HGH for fear of it being because they feared it had caused the initial cancer.
So, so, so ironic, how he became this hero for cancer survivors while knowing all along he may have caused his cancer with his own doping.
Absurdity.
This guy's fall from grace has to be one of the biggest in sports history. I guess you could say that OJ was worse but Lance was an icon of inspiration and hope. The Tour de lance 5K in our area back in the day was the most popular road 5K around. And all of the LiveStrong bracelets and shirts? 10s of millions sold. People so wanted to believe in this guy.