57 COVID deaths in GA today: Post-opening spike starting?

5 young people tested positive in a district of my country today, big story about where they had been, who they had met, number of testing made in the community, the possible scares that may occur.

A better analogy is saying that you should be the one to decide whether you can drive after you've had a few drinks.

"I'm actually a *better* driver after I've had a few: I'm more relaxed and not so tentative!

"And if I'm wrong about that, well, I'll be the one to pay the price, won't I?

"And if you say *others* might have to pay the price for my drinking, well, they can just stay home and then they'll be safe, won't they? They don't have to drive anywhere!

"MAGAKAG!"

L'Oncle wrote:

tydi6 wrote:

1) It bears repetition.

2) Some Americans are still endangering themselves (which might be their choice to make) and others (which is NOT their choice to make) by not

wearing a mask

maintaining social distance

washing hands

being tested

How could it possibly need more repetition? How many times a day do you think we should hear this? Definition of bear repeating. : to be important enough to state more than once. More than once. Not thousands of times. When something gets repeated over and over again for months beware. You are almost certainly being lied to.

Right. Perfectly healthy people are unknowing sick and are putting other people in danger by not following these rules. Well, only Americans that is. Apparently everywhere else in the world every one is following these four rules precisely. That makes sense.

In Hong Kong they have implemented a $645 fine for not wearing a mask. But they have near 100% compliance there anyway.

I assume the people that don't wear masks are the same ones driving alone in the carpool lane, not keeping their dog leashed or cleaning up after it, or throwing their cigarette butts on the sidewalk They just don't care about how their actions impact others.

Common theme for those who deny the science. These states have tamed coronavirus, even after reopening. Here's how they're doing it, Connecticut Connecticut started mandating face masks statewide on April 20. New York And at a time when testing was scarce across the country, New York tried to ramp up capabilities on its own. With FDA approval, New York state announced on March 13 it could authorize 28 public and private labs to start testing for coronavirus -- the first state to do so. "We're hunting positives," Cuomo said in March. "We're hunting positives so we can isolate them and reduce the spread." Massachusetts enacted a mask mandate before most other states did, on May 6. But unlike some states, the mandate in Massachusetts also applies to outdoor public areas where it might not be possible to stay 6 feet away from others. Massachusetts is doubling down on testing to try to snuff out coronavirus in the state. "The goal of this initiative is to provide widespread asymptomatic testing in an easy-to-access location within these communities" to help stop community spread, Baker said. New Jersey New Jersey was the first state to issue a mask mandate, back on April 8. Vermont Contact tracing has steadily improved in Vermont -- from an average of 2.7 contacts made per case in April to 4.8 contacts made per case in June. Wear a mask Social distance Wash your hands GET TESTED For those who don't understand and are waiting for a miracle instead of acting now:

brazen2 wrote:

Wear a mask

Social distance

Wash your hands

GET TESTED

^This obviously is not working.

When we shelter in place, cases go down.

When we just tell people to "be careful", cases go up.

Anyone who still doesn't understand that is an idiot.

[quote]brazen2 wrote:

Common theme for those who deny the science.

These states have tamed coronavirus, even after reopening. Here's how they're doing it,

Connecticut

Connecticut started mandating face masks statewide on April 20.

New York

And at a time when testing was scarce across the country, New York tried to ramp up capabilities on its own. With FDA approval, New York state announced on March 13 it could authorize 28 public and private labs to start testing for coronavirus -- the first state to do so.

"We're hunting positives," Cuomo said in March. "We're hunting positives so we can isolate them and reduce the spread."

Massachusetts

enacted a mask mandate before most other states did, on May 6. But unlike some states, the mandate in Massachusetts also applies to outdoor public areas where it might not be possible to stay 6 feet away from others.

Massachusetts is doubling down on testing to try to snuff out coronavirus in the state.

"The goal of this initiative is to provide widespread asymptomatic testing in an easy-to-access location within these communities" to help stop community spread, Baker said.

New Jersey

New Jersey was the first state to issue a mask mandate, back on April 8.

Vermont

Contact tracing has steadily improved in Vermont -- from an average of 2.7 contacts made per case in April to 4.8 contacts made per case in June.

Wear a mask

Social distance

Wash your hands

GET TESTED

They are already talking about a second wave in NY, MA, and Europe.

Stop being so naive

L'Oncle wrote:

They are already talking about a second wave in NY, MA, and Europe.

Stop being so naive

Who are "they". And what does talking about a second wave have to do with anything?

Wear a mask

Social distance

Wash your hands

GET TESTED

For the science deniers...again:

I live in MA, work in healthcare, have a wife who is an infectious disease physician and am generally pretty plugged into this stuff. Can you please elaborate who is talking about a "second wave" in MA? This is news to me. Cases have ostensibly stabilized in the 200-300 range at this point. Clearly there is the possibility of an uptick and everyone, everywhere should be prepared for increased strain on the HC system going into the later fall and winter as folks spend more time indoors and influenza and other URIs make contact tracing more difficult. That said, I don't think that invalidates the relatively successful approach that MA has taken in flattening the infection rate.

Did you literally just make this up?

reer wrote:

L'Oncle wrote:

They are already talking about a second wave in NY, MA, and Europe.

Stop being so naive

Who are "they". And what does talking about a second wave have to do with anything?

A comment saying how NY and MA and Europe stopped the spread of the virus via lock-downs and masks and I point out that we are already being told a second wave is coming to those places and you ask what a second wave has to do with anything?

And you ask who is behind all this? The people who own all the media and all the pols obviously

There was no science in that article. Just hyperbole and correlation without causation. Pretty embarrassing that that is the extent of the "science" behind the New Gauleiters mask fascists.

Did you even click on the link and read the 21 page all-so-sciencey "study?" Well it had a lot of science-y sounding stuff in there and footnote so likely you couldn't discern what was actually being said. It wasn't a study at all it was simply a modelling framework and nothing but conjecture and assumptions- that's not science at all.

Pathetic.

highhoppingworm wrote:

I live in MA, work in healthcare, have a wife who is an infectious disease physician and am generally pretty plugged into this stuff. Can you please elaborate who is talking about a "second wave" in MA? This is news to me. Cases have ostensibly stabilized in the 200-300 range at this point. Clearly there is the possibility of an uptick and everyone, everywhere should be prepared for increased strain on the HC system going into the later fall and winter as folks spend more time indoors and influenza and other URIs make contact tracing more difficult. That said, I don't think that invalidates the relatively successful approach that MA has taken in flattening the infection rate.

Did you literally just make this up?

L'Oncle is also known as Giles Corey. He is an anti-semite conspiracy theorist who thinks COVID-19 is a Jewish plot.

Yes, pretty much everything he says is just made up.

brazen2 wrote:

https://www.businessinsider.com/face-masks-effective-in-protecting-against-coronavirus-2020-6

Wear a mask

Social distance

Wash your hands

GET TESTED

^This obviously is not working.

When we shelter in place, cases go down.

When we just tell people to "be careful", cases go up.

Anyone who still doesn't understand that is an idiot.

This thread is so much better than the Trump thread. It's really brought out the crazies, though I like to imagine it's really just one person with 4 different handles.

highhoppingworm wrote:

I live in MA, work in healthcare, have a wife who is an infectious disease physician and am generally pretty plugged into this stuff. Can you please elaborate who is talking about a "second wave" in MA? This is news to me. Cases have ostensibly stabilized in the 200-300 range at this point. Clearly there is the possibility of an uptick and everyone, everywhere should be prepared for increased strain on the HC system going into the later fall and winter as folks spend more time indoors and influenza and other URIs make contact tracing more difficult. That said, I don't think that invalidates the relatively successful approach that MA has taken in flattening the infection rate.

Did you literally just make this up?

highhoppingworm wrote:

Did you literally just make this up?

I await your apology

Fat hurts wrote:

brazen2 wrote:

https://www.businessinsider.com/face-masks-effective-in-protecting-against-coronavirus-2020-6

Wear a mask

Social distance

Wash your hands

GET TESTED

^This obviously is not working.

When we shelter in place, cases go down.

When we just tell people to "be careful", cases go up.

Anyone who still doesn't understand that is an idiot.

What a brilliant comment.

Repeat what the media tells him and call anyone who actually has a mind of their own an idiot.

We can all learn so much from this guy

Citing news articles is not a credible approach; where is the data actually indicating this massive 2nd wave? Nobody needs to apologize for the fact that you blindly believe the media. Try looking for actual data and use that to make your points; please don't use media spun garbage and then mock people with it.

McGurk wrote:

Citing news articles is not a credible approach; where is the data actually indicating this massive 2nd wave? Nobody needs to apologize for the fact that you blindly believe the media. Try looking for actual data and use that to make your points; please don't use media spun garbage and then mock people with it.

The media is prepping us.

The data "supporting" a second wave will begin showing up soon enough -- by the end of August is my guess.

Cuomo has already told us on the radio that he "feels" it comiing.

Don't you know how this works?