DEPRESSING AS HELL: MLB tested over 5,000 employees.....0.7% tested positive for COVID-19 antibodies

Hers stupidity wrote:

unless those tests are flawed, we are nowhere near herd immunity

https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2020-05-10/mlb-employees-test-positive-for-coronavirus-antibodies-covid-19

The rate of infection varies greatly based on the population. In manufacturing and other trades that have continued working rate of infection is far greater. The antibody tests so far suggest there have been somewhere between 15-30X the infections compared to the confirmed cases. Infection rate in white collar workers and others who have stayed at home is much smaller than those who have continued.

It is really tragic that we don't have a better-defined idea of the infection data. This whole hysteria was built on an artificial death rate. Now we have the tools available to see how widespread the virus is and the actual risk and there has been almost no investment in finding out the information.

Investing more in virus testing is a total waste. This thing is so far beyond the point of containment. I watched Meet the Press yesterday and it blew my mind the disconnect that existed. First they had a couple of infectious disease experts on, one from a very liberal school another from a state that leans blue. They said that 5-15% of the population has been infected already. People need to get comfortable with the idea that they are going to be exposed to the virus and 60-70% of the US will get it before there is a vaccine. The basic goal is to make sure the medical resources are not overwhelmed. Then the next segment they talked about how a couple of white house staffers got the virus and not even the White House can be protected.

My reaction is what part of the 5-15% have already gotten the virus and 60-70% will did you not understand. Stop acting like its a tragedy every time someone is infected. There is a huge disconnect where people think if they get the virus it is some huge disaster that has been embedded in peoples minds by those totally irresponsible death rates initially reported. The reality is the death rate is probably somewhere between .1-.4%, where exactly it falls depends on how many are really infected and how much you believe we've inflated the death count. The vast majority who get the virus will never know they had it without and antibody test or may have very minor symptoms. People need to stop reading these hysterical reports of and bad experiences with the virus and understand they are the exception, not the norm.

Hers stupidity wrote:

unless those tests are flawed, we are nowhere near herd immunity

Not to mention, it's still dubious whether someone is immune even if they test positive for the antibodies.

People need to hear this: the antibody test IS NOT a test of your immunity. Having COVID-19 antibodies in your system tells you almost nothing. Antibody tests are primarily valuable from a public health standpoint - more data points to understand how the virus is behaving in the population.

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Stop acting like its a tragedy every time someone is infected. There is a huge disconnect where people think if they get the virus it is some huge disaster that has been embedded in peoples minds by those totally irresponsible death rates initially reported. The reality is the death rate is probably somewhere between .1-.4%, where exactly it falls depends on how many are really infected and how much you believe we've inflated the death count. The vast majority who get the virus will never know they had it without and antibody test or may have very minor symptoms. People need to stop reading these hysterical reports of and bad experiences with the virus and understand they are the exception, not the norm.[/quote]

This crime committer is trying to get us all killed!

Precious Roy wrote:

Herd immunity will come only with vaccination. It takes 70% of the population to be infected to get herd immunity. At least half the population has a comorbidity. If you wall them off and let everyone else have a giant corona virus party, you still won't get herd immunity. Absent a vaccine, the only way to herd immunity is mass death and complete collapse of the health care system. Plus, the biggest barrier to herd immunity is that only a small percentage of the population is dumb enough to willingly expose themselves to a virus that can cause everything from blood clots to arrhythmia to kidney damage and death. People would rather live and be poor than die for the rich.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/from-our-experts/early-herd-immunity-against-covid-19-a-dangerous-misconceptionhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/05/10/coronavirus-attacks-body-symptoms/?arc404=true

I'll be honest, Roy I find your take on this whole thing incredibly ill-informed and incredibly disconnected from reality. We can not shut down our country completely without incredible negative health impacts for everyone. How does that food get on your table, people out working in the plants, DC's, farms, transportation, etc. How do you get water when you turn on the faucet, some people somewhere are out working to make that happen. How does you crap go down the toilet when you flush it. There are people out there working so you can stay ar home.

If they stopped working this would turn into a third world country with food and water shortages and disastrous sanitation consequences. You're probably right that 10-20% of those individuals have had the virus, if not more. It shows a lot about your character that you're calling those who are being exposed to the virus dumb while they are the ones keeping this country going while you cower in place.

Newsflash the vast majority of these workers who you admit have been infected have been just fine. And many of them were fat, smokers, had diabetes, the list goes on. In a population our size it is easy to find a small number of cases where a healthy person's immune system did not handle the virus well. Or someone developed some unrelated disease after having the virus that the media could then say was caused by the virus.

Whose stupidity? wrote:

Hers stupidity wrote:

unless those tests are flawed, we are nowhere near herd immunity

Not to mention, it's still dubious whether someone is immune even if they test positive for the antibodies.

People need to hear this: the antibody test IS NOT a test of your immunity. Having COVID-19 antibodies in your system tells you almost nothing. Antibody tests are primarily valuable from a public health standpoint - more data points to understand how the virus is behaving in the population.

OTOH, and far more likely to be the case, there are many individuals who cannot get infected despite heavy exposure, mostly due to their innate, non-specific immunity. Passengers on the Diamond Princess were under very heavy exposure and among the older age cohorts, yet only 18% tested positive. Most of the others were able to fight off the infection before it triggered their specific immune response.

Cowardly Customer wrote:

Stop acting like its a tragedy every time someone is infected. There is a huge disconnect where people think if they get the virus it is some huge disaster that has been embedded in peoples minds by those totally irresponsible death rates initially reported. The reality is the death rate is probably somewhere between .1-.4%, where exactly it falls depends on how many are really infected and how much you believe we've inflated the death count. The vast majority who get the virus will never know they had it without and antibody test or may have very minor symptoms. People need to stop reading these hysterical reports of and bad experiences with the virus and understand they are the exception, not the norm.[/quote]

Great so you are talking 320k-1.2million deaths. Is that low enough to change you approach to the problem versus the 1.2-3.2 million deaths that the higher death rate implies?

dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:

Cowardly Customer wrote:

Stop acting like its a tragedy every time someone is infected. There is a huge disconnect where people think if they get the virus it is some huge disaster that has been embedded in peoples minds by those totally irresponsible death rates initially reported. The reality is the death rate is probably somewhere between .1-.4%, where exactly it falls depends on how many are really infected and how much you believe we've inflated the death count. The vast majority who get the virus will never know they had it without and antibody test or may have very minor symptoms. People need to stop reading these hysterical reports of and bad experiences with the virus and understand they are the exception, not the norm.

Great so you are talking 320k-1.2million deaths. Is that low enough to change you approach to the problem versus the 1.2-3.2 million deaths that the higher death rate implies?[/quote]

Actually yes it is since 2.7 million people die in our country each year. We can't shut down the country every time there is a new virus. 300-500K is probably the realistic range we're looking at with the majority of those being in the group that would have died of some other cause within the next 6 months to 2 years. That's a big number that sounds scary but in a population of 330 million, it's not that bad. If we were talking in the 10million range which was what the bogus 2.5-4.5% rates suggested it would be a different answer.

My reverse question to you is what level would you feel comfortable allowing and have everyone come out of your hidey-hole? There has to be a line where you don't go into panic mode or we're going to continue this cycle every few years because of the next threat. Staying locked down just because there is some potential threat is not a realistic solution.

YMMV wrote:

Whose stupidity? wrote:

Not to mention, it's still dubious whether someone is immune even if they test positive for the antibodies.

People need to hear this: the antibody test IS NOT a test of your immunity. Having COVID-19 antibodies in your system tells you almost nothing. Antibody tests are primarily valuable from a public health standpoint - more data points to understand how the virus is behaving in the population.

OTOH, and far more likely to be the case, there are many individuals who cannot get infected despite heavy exposure, mostly due to their innate, non-specific immunity. Passengers on the Diamond Princess were under very heavy exposure and among the older age cohorts, yet only 18% tested positive. Most of the others were able to fight off the infection before it triggered their specific immune response.

That assumes that all of those passengers were exposed to the virus. The validity of that assumption is not obvious.

bored man over board wrote:

Mumph wrote:

Baseball is a girl's game.

Nope. I can appreciate the women who play softball well but have you ever watched random ordinary people play a baseball game? Some can not even catch a ball or throw straight, let alone make contact with a slow looping pitch right down Broadway. Makes one appreciate the pros. You could not even touch a 95mph heater if you had 100 tries.

You are correct, sir. The two most rare and difficult skills in sports are --

-- throwing a 100 mph fastball, and

-- hitting a 100 mph fastball

drbop wrote:

bored man over board wrote:

Nope. I can appreciate the women who play softball well but have you ever watched random ordinary people play a baseball game? Some can not even catch a ball or throw straight, let alone make contact with a slow looping pitch right down Broadway. Makes one appreciate the pros. You could not even touch a 95mph heater if you had 100 tries.

You are correct, sir. The two most rare and difficult skills in sports are --

-- throwing a 100 mph fastball, and

-- hitting a 100 mph fastball

You can get lucky and hit a 100 mph fastball.

You can't accidentally run a 4:00 mile

MLG wrote:

Just 0.7% of Major League Baseball employees tested positive for antibodies to COVID-19

Finally, more conclusive proof that people are much better off without social distancing, lockdowns, and wearing a mask.

Harambe wrote:

drbop wrote:

You are correct, sir. The two most rare and difficult skills in sports are --

-- throwing a 100 mph fastball, and

-- hitting a 100 mph fastball

You can get lucky and hit a 100 mph fastball.

You can't accidentally run a 4:00 mile

Yep given enough tries most of the general population will eventually hit an ugly blooper to the shallow outfield off a 100mph throw.

A fraction of the population has the ability to ever run a sub 4 mile.

Now if you say EL G go run a sub 4 mile. He could have been successful 99% of the time. The best hitters in baseball are only successful 30% of the time. For a world-class runner sub 4 is very easy. But for most of the population given unlimited chances at both almost all would get a hit and almost none would go sub 4.

Precious Roy wrote:

Herd immunity will come only with vaccination.

There is no such thing as herd immunity. If everyone on the earth has a good enough immunity to fight off the virus and you don't, you would still be affected and possibly die from it.

The only good immunity from a virus is your own personally developed immunity.

Drugs and vaccinations can't help you with that. They would make it much harder to achieve.

dunes runner wrote:

Precious Roy wrote:

Herd immunity will come only with vaccination.

There is no such thing as herd immunity. If everyone on the earth has a good enough immunity to fight off the virus and you don't, you would still be affected and possibly die from it.

The only good immunity from a virus is your own personally developed immunity.

Drugs and vaccinations can't help you with that. They would make it much harder to achieve.

Umm . . . yeah, there is.

1) If everyone else on earth is immune then the virus has nowhere to linger and dies out. Even short of the virus becoming extinct it can become so rare as to make the odds that you will ever be exposed essentially zero.

2) Please try to acquire a brain.

Sounds like this thing may not be as contagious as we thought. Great news.

Harambe wrote:

drbop wrote:

You are correct, sir. The two most rare and difficult skills in sports are --

-- throwing a 100 mph fastball, and

-- hitting a 100 mph fastball

You can get lucky and hit a 100 mph fastball.

You can't accidentally run a 4:00 mile

You can't accidentally throw a 100 mph fastball either.

Mumph wrote:

Baseball is a girl's game.

And what's more, so is "football".

Kick the ball for Odin's sake, not throw it like a girl.

Concupiscurd wrote:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/herd-immunity-may-only-need-a-10-per-cent-infection-rate

As much as I am on the side of this isn't that serious hasn't the idea that 10-20% will give herd immunity for this virus this already been debunked? More than 20% have tested positive for antibodies in New York as of a few weeks ago. A hard hit city in the Boston area had around a third of the population infected as of a couple of weeks ago. Unless you want to argue that the whole population of New York is an outlier this seems to have a giant hole in it already.

Maybe 60% isn't the number either but this seems to have flaws.