Dumb Canada Comment

Pete wrote:

Please try to follow me, and respond with fully formed thoughts. My point had nothing to do with who proposed the compromise. I supported the idea of a compromise which would have allowed a real measure of compliance that the world could accept. Something more realistic than "you've got 48 hours to get the hell outa Dodge City..."

Pete,

In the land of equal opportunity and employment equity, I think it's only fair that you swear at me too.

Once you've done that, can you elaborate of the compromise (why are we even compromising? Wasn't 1441 clear?) you propose. What deadline would you specify and what would be the course of action should that deadline arrive and the letter of the resolution has not been met?

The only reason the 48 hours came about was there had been over 4 months (or 12 years, depending on how you want to interpret things) and nothing definitive and final had been achieved, so the coalition stepped up to the plate and said they weren't kidding around anymore.

maybe off topic, but i thought it was awsome today when i got off my coast guard boat and walked up the dock, uloaded my weapons, and saw abgdad getting lit up like the 4th of july! glad bush finally acted! i dont have much against canada, but booing anyones national anthem is unsportmanlike, other ways of showing your displeasure can be used....by the way i was at that psitons game where they booed, i did not take part, .....as for the french, thats a different story.... question, how many frenchmen does it take to win a war? nobody knows, its never been done......i wonder what would happen if terrorists attacked there country? or even took themn over again? how fast would they be coming to us for help? weve bailed them out twice, how much do we have to do? and how fast do people forget about9/11? if this war had gone down weeks or months after that, bush would have a 99 percent apporval rate, instead a bunch of old hippies, and new hippies from my genereation that have nothing to do but sit in there dorms rooms, finally have a reason to get off there lazy asses and get some execise by getting off there asses, pretending to care, and shutting down lakeshore drive and other streets,and thinking they are making a diference, a difference at what? helping the terrorists and promoting more bullshit political debating? the u.n is useless, they wil never eb able to make a decision again....because off this war i got pulled out of the classromm and all of my outdoor season and put on a boat protecting our shores...but i am happ and proud to be an american making a difference...anyway enough i just wanted to fire some people up, and before someone calls me dumb i did not spell check and dont care too, i have too much to do

never truer!!!

The Americans

"LET'S BE PERSONAL"

Broadcast June 5, 1973

CFRB, Toronto, Ontario

Topic: "The Americans"

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The United States dollar took another pounding on German, French and British exchanges this morning, hitting the lowest point ever known in West Germany. It has declined there by 41% since 1971 and this Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least-appreciated people in all the earth.

As long as sixty years ago, when I first started to read newspapers, I read of floods on the Yellow River and the Yangtse. Who rushed in with men and money to help? The Americans did.

They have helped control floods on the Nile, the Amazon, the Ganges and the Niger. Today, the rich bottom land of the Misssissippi is under water and no foreign land has sent a dollar to help. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy, were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of those countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.

When the franc was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.

When distant cities are hit by earthquakes, it is the United States that hurries into help... Managua Nicaragua is one of the most recent examples. So far this spring, 59 American communities have been flattened by tornadoes. Nobody has helped.

The Marshall Plan .. the Truman Policy .. all pumped billions upon billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now, newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent war-mongering Americans.

I'd like to see one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplanes.

Come on... let's hear it! Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tristar or the Douglas 107? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all international lines except Russia fly American planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or women on the moon?

You talk about Japanese technocracy and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy and you find men on the moon, not once, but several times ... and safely home again. You talk about scandals and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everyone to look at. Even the draft dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, most of them ... unless they are breaking Canadian laws .. are getting American dollars from Ma and Pa at home to spend here.

When the Americans get out of this bind ... as they will... who could blame them if they said 'the hell with the rest of the world'. Let someone else buy the Israel bonds, Let someone else build or repair foreign dams or design foreign buildings that won't shake apart in earthquakes.

When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. I can name to you 5,000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble.

Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.

Our neighbours have faced it alone and I am one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles.

I hope Canada is not one of these. But there are many smug, self-righteous Canadians. And finally, the American Red Cross was told at its 48th Annual meeting in New Orleans this morning that it was broke.

This year's disasters .. with the year less than half-over? has taken it all and nobody...but nobody... has helped.

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Pete wrote:

Please try to follow me, and respond with fully formed thoughts. My point had nothing to do with who proposed the compromise. I supported the idea of a compromise which would have allowed a real measure of compliance that the world could accept. Something more realistic than "you've got 48 hours to get the hell outa Dodge City..."

Saddam had plenty of time to complete his obligation to 1441. We could have given him more than 48 hours and then another 48 hours and then another 48 hours....and so on...and so on...and so on....and so on...and......

.....we'd be in the same boat on a different day in the future.

caseyski wrote:

Canada ranks just below jock itch in Americans' thoughts, unless you live on the border. 51st state? Not likely...

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Shut up you moron - just because you got a 50 cent raise at work last week hardly gives you the right to play hero and presume to speak for all Americans.

"Maybe he'll soften up and repent for all his atrocities."

You only care because you are told to care. Do a little research (perhaps a refresher course since I'm sure high school glossed over it at best) on the happenings in Africa. Why aren't you screaming outrage at the crimes against humanity that occur there? Oh, because you weren't told to care, and there isn't any oil there.

Take your "liberate Iraq" bullshit attitude and stick it up your ass...

There's the Pete I know and love. Good rant.

To your points. So if the whole world agreed to give him 30 more days and he still didn't comply, then it would have been OK to attack, but not until then. So, he needed 30 more days on top of the 12 years he already had.

What are the chance that you'd still draw another line in the sand, again?

Cdn female, OK you tap oil out the ground. But what do Canandians produce? I'm more asking.

Also, Cdn, if your going to hang on any message board, grow think skin. What I've said is relatively mild compared to other threads, especially given the nature of this thread.

As for Pete, we completely disagree on this issue, but share a dislike for all the Gallow bashers. I'm usually much nicer on those threads.

"Sooner or later they were going to do battle with the US over territory in the Pacific." More than likely without their German and Russian allies it would have been later not sooner. Most historians with a pinch of salt would tell you that too.

Proud, so you know for a fact that there are no Saddam sponsored terrorist. I mean you have this intelligence information. You have wire taps and surveillance equipment and live footage to prove all this. You know for a fact that Saddam has not or has no intention on passing along WMDs to terrorist. Because if you have this information, please share it on this board.

Otherwise, I'd rather rely on the intelligence of people who do have these capabilities. Because if you're wrong, the only way we'll find out is if a few thousand people die.

1. I care because he's a potential threat to our nation. That's why I care. I know you don't believe that and I'm sure that the only thing that'll convince you is a bomb going off.

2. I don't throw around that liberate Iraq BS. I agree that people use it as if they are some humaritan. I do believe that it's a positive potential side effect, though, and hope that it comes to fruition.

I agree with Watson and Allison. Americans should learn something from the non-facist way of life in Canada.

Sports and politics don't mix. Canada was wrong when they booed, especially when there are boots on the ground in war. No excuse.

Still, it is hard to get too upset at Canada. They have excellent strip bars and beer and when Pamela Anderson lived there she was a hottie.

http://www.superpam.com/pamela_anderson_lee/pamela_a023.JPG

It is sad she caught the Michael Jackson and turned plastic and cartoonish.

First, don't cry for Pete. He was throwing down some pretty strong anti-American sentiment in another thread. He wants to pretend that my attacks were unprovoked and that he's an innocent victim of a mean poster.

So Germany Russia and Japan were allies in WWII?

I would say that's a pretty substantial fact toward their agressions, considering that they hadn't agressed until shortly after WWII started. You've thrown around your historical facts, but as I noted, most credible historians say that we weren't due to bump uglies for another decade or two. If you've got hard historical facts to the contrary, then share it. And "Sooner or later we ..." isn't a hard historical fact.

As for Saddam ...

1. We didn't have the element of surprise. We gave him 48 hours notice. He may have not known precise second we would attack, but it was certainly not on parallel with the surprise attack of the Japanese.

2. This isn't a video game. Saddam has thousands of places to hide and all we've got is a camera in the sky.

It's ashame you hate the country that provides you your freedom. For all the might that the US has, it rarely and judisiously uses it. I'd suggest stop being spoon fed by your hippie liberal teachers.

Do me a favour and remind me of the anti-American sentiment I shared. I'm calling bullshit on you again.

I'll be "slinking away" now, as we'll be at a hockey tournament all weekend.

I love when you call bullshit on me, Pete. Here you go. I'm giving you the text of your initial tirade citing your intent to boycott American products and continuing your anti-Bush campaign. I've also included the link to the thread so you can relive the non-hostile posts by Flagpole and myself suggesting that you're laying it on think.Later in the thread I mention, if you're going to boycott American products, start with fast food, as I'm a vegetarian.Also, I'm sorry you had to cancel your trip to Egypt. We'll schedule our national defense around your schedule next time.The link ...http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1&thread=97884&page=0The text ...

With respect to the bashing that the Canadian Health care system is getting I would like to refute several points.

FYI I am a physician who has seen first-hand the inadequacies and strengths of the system here in Canada.

The first: a claim was made that "many Canadians go to the US for medical care that can be done better/ faster etc." Many Canadians do go to the US for medical care. Every one I have seen/ encountered/ heard about went to get a test or surgery that was not indicated (ie going to have surgery that only a for-hire cowboy would attempt and is likely not in the best interest of the patient to have).

People are often influenced by direct to consumer advertising and begin to believe that they need a certain test/ surgery or whatever and will do whatever it takes to get it. When physicians here don't see it as necessary for them to have it because the treatment or test has not been proven effective, people often go South and pay for the procedure.

Sure some people wait to have minor surgeries-- having one's knee scoped in not a life or death situation and it CAN wait. And unfortunately, illnesses such as Muscular Dystrophy, MS, ALS etc often have subtle presentations/ symptoms etc and can be tricky to diagnose, regardless of which country you are in. And no, I don't believe that someone waited x weeks for an EMERGENCY colonoscopy, because off-hand I can't think of a single reason why that procedure would be required emergently.

But hey, maybe I'm just a stupid Canadian doc who went to an inferior Canadian medical school. Before you speak out about your suprerior health care system where 20% of the population goes without coverage-- think. But hey, I guess it's more important for all of you to subsidize a stadium for the baseball or football or b-ball players eh?

Also, check the facts on murder rates in Toronto to a comparable American city population wise. There is no comparison.

Matt

for you, dave, who doesn't seem to know what canada actually produces...

from strategis.gc.ca, some of the top 25 canadian exports to the states:

various vehicle parts, natural gas, crude oil, lumber, newsprint, airplanes (likely just from bombardier), paper, data processing machines, aluminum, gold, woodpulp, live bovine, electricity, telephone lines, gear boxes...

that is not to mention all our musicians and actors. NAFTA allows the U.S. to take all our water if the U.S. runs out. that would be the single most important potential export we might have to send to the U.S.

canada is the U.S.'s second largest trading partner (2nd to japan). it is not some banana republic and deserves a little more respect than you have given it.

When you hear of Canadians booing the national anthem, dont be fooled. Although there are those who disagree with the war, and there are Canadians who bash Americans, this does not represent the attitudes of Canaduans as a whole. there are many Canadians who support and agree with Americans and what they are fighting for.

Many of us have been embarassed by the inaction, and cowardly behaviour of our prime minister. To use an examle of Quebecers in Montreal booing Americans, as an example of the Canadian attitudes and opinions toward America, is just wrong. Many of the french in Canada are no different than the french in France, and have been pulling the same shit for the past 300 years.

I see faults in the American system, as in the Canadain one, but i love my country, and that is why it pisses me off to see uninformed Americans insulting us. Dont be fooled by a small minority of french, or the lack of support from the government, because like i said, it is embarassing to those of us Canadians that support this cause. And there are many of us.

Please, dont listen to uniformed posters sending the wrong message out about what type of country Canada is, becuse i have read many posts that are flat out wrong, and i have no f**king clue where they get their information from. Lastly, and most importantly, dont be fooled by the opinions of few regarding the stance of Candians. From what i have gathered at school, work, and on message boards, the majority of Candians support America, and many of us are ashamed by the inactivity and lack of support our government has shown.

Canadian wrote:

Please, dont listen to uniformed posters sending the wrong message out about what type of country Canada is, becuse i have read many posts that are flat out wrong, and i have no f**king clue where they get their information from. Lastly, and most importantly, dont be fooled by the opinions of few regarding the stance of Candians. From what i have gathered at school, work, and on message boards, the majority of Candians support America, and many of us are ashamed by the inactivity and lack of support our government has shown.

Further to this point of support from Canadians, a recent poll (a couple weeks ago) found that 17% supported military action without UNSC endorsement, while 60% supported action only if endorsement was given. (Not sure if that 60% is in addition to the initial 17% or includes it, but that's not too relevant to my point).

Granted this is open to interpretation, but I see this as saying that the majority of Canadian believe that action in Iraq to enact regime change is righteous but, being Canadians, want the warm-fuzzy re-assurance given by a positive vote from Cameroon, Angola, Guinea and Chile.