57 COVID deaths in GA today: Post-opening spike starting?

brazen2 wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

From the article:

Since when do business owners get to decide who has to comply with the law? Kemp is once again putting commerce ahead of people's lives. And he's killing both in the process. He doesn't care how many thousands of Georgians die as long as businesses are allowed to do whatever they want.

Donald Trump, Brian Kemp, and their enablers like Lead Foil Hat are the reason people keep dying.

Once again, you fail to comprehend what you read. The order allows businesses to require masks be worn at an establishment. If people refuse, they can contact the police to enforce the wearing of masks. Think of it as "No shirt, No shoes, No mask, No service." A business does not have to require masks if they do not want to. Similar to trespassing.

No, you are the one who fails to comprehend.

Every business nationwide already has the ability to enforce a dress code like "No shirt, No shoes, No mask, No service." Kemp's order has nothing to do with that.

What Kemp's order says is that a business owner can decide to exempt his business from local law. The local ordinance says that you must wear a mask in public. But the business owner can decide that his business doesn't have to follow this local public health code.

Kemp's order is akin to letting a restaurant exempt itself from the local health inspector.

Kemp is once again putting commerce ahead of people's lives. And he's killing both in the process. He doesn't care how many thousands of Georgians die as long as businesses are allowed to do whatever they want.

:Sigh Before - Masks not enforceable by law Now - Masks can be enforced by law

Wear a mask (Joe says so)

Social distance

Wash your hands

GET TESTED

brazen2 wrote:

:Sigh

Before - Masks not enforceable by law

Now - Masks can be enforced by law

Wrong.

Before - Masks not enforceable by law

Now - Masks still not enforceable by law if a business owner doesn't want to follow the law.

Interesting article:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/mask-slackers-existed-during-the-1918-flu-pandemic-too-1.5066330

Current hospitalizations down 19% from high Jul30 (lowest level since Jul13)

7-day average for newly reported hospitalizations down 31% from high on Jul24 (lowest since Jul10)

Wear a mask

Social distance

Wash your hands

GET TESTED

Spike in cases in Lumpkin County coming.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CD9MEV0JAo4/

Wear a mask

Social distance

Wash your hands

GET TESTED

Don't be an idiot

Fat hurts wrote:

brazen2 wrote:

:Sigh

Before - Masks not enforceable by law

Now - Masks can be enforced by law

On Sunday, did you let the people at your church service know that you feel most of them are responsible for your friend dying? Or, did you chicken out?

Wear a mask

Social distance

Wash your hands

GET TESTED

New saliva test approval is a big step in the right direction. It is not a true fast test in that you still have to send it to the lab. But you do not need a nurse to collect a sample and the lab work is much less involved and can have a faster turnaround. For places like GA and TX where they just don't give a sh#t, I would at least hope the government puts some money behind getting this test out to shift from diagnostic testing to true surveillance testing. That may be the only hope to keep from seeing a return to exponential growth this fall.

Wear a mask

Social distance

Wash your hands

GET TESTED

Precious Roy wrote:

New saliva test approval is a big step in the right direction. It is not a true fast test in that you still have to send it to the lab. But you do not need a nurse to collect a sample and the lab work is much less involved and can have a faster turnaround. For places like GA and TX where they just don't give a sh#t, I would at least hope the government puts some money behind getting this test out to shift from diagnostic testing to true surveillance testing. That may be the only hope to keep from seeing a return to exponential growth this fall.

Seeing the testing numbers going down lately in Georgia and reading people's opposition to testing on this thread, I'm not getting my hopes up that even if the government personally delivered free kits to every resident, people would take them.

Wear a mask

Social distance

Wash your hands

GET TESTED

brazen2 wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

On Sunday, did you let the people at your church service know that you feel most of them are responsible for your friend dying? Or, did you chicken out?

Wear a mask

Social distance

Wash your hands

GET TESTED

First, my friend is not dead. He is still on a ventilator.

Second, the church members are not responsible.

Third, the people responsible for the deaths are Donald Trump, Brian Kemp, and those like Lead Foil Hat who support their pro-virus policies.

Fourth, I have no problem telling anyone who supports those deadly policies that they are responsible. In a democracy, we are responsible for our votes. If you vote pro-virus, you share the blame when the virus kills.

Precious Roy wrote:

New saliva test approval is a big step in the right direction. It is not a true fast test in that you still have to send it to the lab. But you do not need a nurse to collect a sample and the lab work is much less involved and can have a faster turnaround. For places like GA and TX where they just don't give a sh#t, I would at least hope the government puts some money behind getting this test out to shift from diagnostic testing to true surveillance testing. That may be the only hope to keep from seeing a return to exponential growth this fall.

Yes, this does provide a glimmer of hope. I'm surprised I haven't heard the president touting the FDA approval and taking credit for it. He loves silver bullet type solutions and this is the closest thing we have to a silver bullet that could possibly work.

Fat hurts wrote:

No, you are the one who fails to comprehend.

Every business nationwide already has the ability to enforce a dress code like "No shirt, No shoes, No mask, No service." Kemp's order has nothing to do with that.

What Kemp's order says is that a business owner can decide to exempt his business from local law. The local ordinance says that you must wear a mask in public. But the business owner can decide that his business doesn't have to follow this local public health code.

Kemp's order is akin to letting a restaurant exempt itself from the local health inspector.

Kemp is once again putting commerce ahead of people's lives. And he's killing both in the process. He doesn't care how many thousands of Georgians die as long as businesses are allowed to do whatever they want.

It's not a law.

Fat hurts wrote:

Yes, this does provide a glimmer of hope. I'm surprised I haven't heard the president touting the FDA approval and taking credit for it. He loves silver bullet type solutions and this is the closest thing we have to a silver bullet that could possibly work.

Yale and the NBA being most responsible screws it up for him. If he touts two of his (and the DOJ's) targets' big success without him, he looks dumb. Also, if anything this will just mean more testing and cases, which Trump cares more about looking bad politically than efficacy in stopping the virus.

WWRD wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

No, you are the one who fails to comprehend.

Every business nationwide already has the ability to enforce a dress code like "No shirt, No shoes, No mask, No service." Kemp's order has nothing to do with that.

What Kemp's order says is that a business owner can decide to exempt his business from local law. The local ordinance says that you must wear a mask in public. But the business owner can decide that his business doesn't have to follow this local public health code.

Kemp's order is akin to letting a restaurant exempt itself from the local health inspector.

Kemp is once again putting commerce ahead of people's lives. And he's killing both in the process. He doesn't care how many thousands of Georgians die as long as businesses are allowed to do whatever they want.

It's not a law.

Yes it is. Under the Georgia Constitution, a local ordinance is a law.

Fat hurts wrote:

brazen2 wrote:

On Sunday, did you let the people at your church service know that you feel most of them are responsible for your friend dying? Or, did you chicken out?

Wear a mask

Social distance

Wash your hands

GET TESTED

First, my friend is not dead. He is still on a ventilator.

Second, the church members are not responsible.

Third, the people responsible for the deaths are Donald Trump, Brian Kemp, and those like Lead Foil Hat who support their pro-virus policies.

Fourth, I have no problem telling anyone who supports those deadly policies that they are responsible. In a democracy, we are responsible for our votes. If you vote pro-virus, you share the blame when the virus kills.

1) I didn't say he was dead. I said he was dying. YOU referred to him as "dying."

2) If members of your church support Trump and his policies, are they not responsible too in your eyes? That is your stated position. With 75% of evangelicals supporting Trump (which is a whole issue in it's self), do you not think at least the majority in your church support Trump/Kemp? What makes your church so different that no one supports Trump/Kemp policies or voted for either one?

3) As poor leaders as Trump/Kemp are, do you REALLY think they are "pro-virus?" Is Biden "pro-virus" also to you? I haven't seen where he has called for lockdowns (something you think is the ONLY measure that works)? He did call for a mask mandate which, contrary to your oft-voiced opinion, works to slow/stop the virus and is supported by most experts.

Again, are you so naive that you think no one who goes to your church voted for either Trump or Kemp? Per your own thought process, the majority of people at your church and most likely the preacher are responsible for putting your friend where he is.

4) Good. Report back to me after your next church service and let me know how many people you tell that they are responsible for your friend dying. I'll bet it like this last service where you didn't utter a peep. All hat, no cattle.

Wear a mask (Joe says so)

Social distance

Wash your hands

GET TESTED

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

Yes, this does provide a glimmer of hope. I'm surprised I haven't heard the president touting the FDA approval and taking credit for it. He loves silver bullet type solutions and this is the closest thing we have to a silver bullet that could possibly work.

Also, if anything this will just mean more testing and cases, which Trump cares more about looking bad politically than efficacy in stopping the virus.

That's a good point. Cases would initially go up before going down.

But if Trump were smart he would realize that he's behind in the polls and the thing that could turn things around would be a show of competency. Widespread use of the saliva test could actually get the cases going back down by election day.

Of course, that would require hard work and Trump is a very lazy man. So he figures that his best bet is to cheat.

A positive Florida daily report today. Very few cases. The article below has the meaningful graphs. The positive rate is not that high (even though Florida distorts it low), which indicates to me the lower plateau is coming. Now, deaths will still pile up over the next 3 weeks, but maybe after that it will get to the late June/early July levels.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronavirus/os-ne-florida-coronavirus-monday-august-17-20200817-3uwypy2byvfpbijppp27to6y2m-story.html

1) OK. My mistake.

2) My church is a lot more liberal than most evangelical churches.

3) Trump and Kemp's policies are pro-virus. Therefore, as politicians they are pro-virus.

I am 100% for mask mandates. I have never said otherwise.

Biden did support lockdowns and opposed reopening until CDC guidelines were met. That is the proper anti-virus stance and I'm happy to support that stated policy.

4) If the subject comes up, I'll gladly express my views. But like I said, we rarely discuss politics and we discuss it even less now that nobody gets out of the car.