DiscoGary wrote:
We don't want to taint the whole group based on the actions of a few. That would be bigotry, right?
You blame democrats for all the ills of your life. Butt that is not bigotry in your limited view of life, right?
DiscoGary wrote:
We don't want to taint the whole group based on the actions of a few. That would be bigotry, right?
You blame democrats for all the ills of your life. Butt that is not bigotry in your limited view of life, right?
Blame the dems wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:
We don't want to taint the whole group based on the actions of a few. That would be bigotry, right?
You blame democrats for all the ills of your life. Butt that is not bigotry in your limited view of life, right?
I haven't done that.
I was really hoping that this thing wasn't politically motivated.
I hate to say I told you so, but just the day before this school shooting I was talking about how politically motivated deadly violence is almost always perpetrated by the right. The liberal who shot up the baseball players was an aberration. I can't think of any other liberal perpetrators since the Vietnam era.
Since then, people who use deadly violence to make a political statement are almost always either conservative Republicans or conservative Muslims.
And don't try to bring up Antifa. I can't stand Antifa, but at least they haven't killed anyone yet (unless you believe the conspiracy nuts).
Fat hurts wrote:
I was really hoping that this thing wasn't politically motivated.
I hate to say I told you so, but just the day before this school shooting I was talking about how politically motivated deadly violence is almost always perpetrated by the right. The liberal who shot up the baseball players was an aberration. I can't think of any other liberal perpetrators since the Vietnam era.
Since then, people who use deadly violence to make a political statement are almost always either conservative Republicans or conservative Muslims.
And don't try to bring up Antifa. I can't stand Antifa, but at least they haven't killed anyone yet (unless you believe the conspiracy nuts).
Black Lives Matters shot up those cops.
Fat hurts wrote:
I was really hoping that this thing wasn't politically motivated.
I hate to say I told you so, but just the day before this school shooting I was talking about how politically motivated deadly violence is almost always perpetrated by the right. The liberal who shot up the baseball players was an aberration. I can't think of any other liberal perpetrators since the Vietnam era.
Since then, people who use deadly violence to make a political statement are almost always either conservative Republicans or conservative Muslims.
And don't try to bring up Antifa. I can't stand Antifa, but at least they haven't killed anyone yet (unless you believe the conspiracy nuts).
The shooter was adopted by a family with the last name of Cruz.
He is a member of the Republic of Florida (RoF) white-supremicist group which has a goal to turn all of Florida into a white ethno-state. They only way they can accomplish that is by deporting millions of American citizens, or killing them.
The gun the killer used was provided by the RoF, and he was noted as being very well trained to shot a large number of people very quickly.
The Shooter is a hardcore Trump M-A-G-A supporter,
Fat hurts wrote:
I was really hoping that this thing wasn't politically motivated.
I hate to say I told you so, but just the day before this school shooting I was talking about how politically motivated deadly violence is almost always perpetrated by the right. The liberal who shot up the baseball players was an aberration. I can't think of any other liberal perpetrators since the Vietnam era.
Since then, people who use deadly violence to make a political statement are almost always either conservative Republicans or conservative Muslims.
And don't try to bring up Antifa. I can't stand Antifa, but at least they haven't killed anyone yet (unless you believe the conspiracy nuts).
So this crazy white supremacist represents everyone on the right. OK. Do all those Muslim terrorists represent all of Islam?
If it wasn’t for obama and Hillary none of this would have happened.
DiscoGary wrote:
The Gallant Pig Man wrote:
"The leader of a white nationalist militia says Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz was a member of his group and participated in paramilitary drills in Tallahassee."
Trained by Nazis on American soil.
"“I’m not trying to glorify it, but he was pretty efficient in what he did,” Jereb said. “He probably used that training to do what he did yesterday."
https://apnews.com/892a28db92924e2faa15e7b90a5b843f?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP&__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=truehttps://www.thedailybeast.com/nikolas-cruz-trained-with-florida-white-supremacist-group-leader-saysSo are we going to use the Islamic terrorism argument that Muslim mass murderers don't represent Islam, therefore a white supremacist mass murderer doesn't represent all white supremacists?
We don't want to taint the whole group based on the actions of a few. That would be bigotry, right?
OK, let's go with your line of reasoning, kid.
I know that you think that it would be wrong to suggest that a white supremacist mass murderer represents all white supremacists. It follows that you think would be wrong to condemn Islam because of Muslim mass murderers.
Right?
Right?
Adopted Ed wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
I was really hoping that this thing wasn't politically motivated.
I hate to say I told you so, but just the day before this school shooting I was talking about how politically motivated deadly violence is almost always perpetrated by the right. The liberal who shot up the baseball players was an aberration. I can't think of any other liberal perpetrators since the Vietnam era.
Since then, people who use deadly violence to make a political statement are almost always either conservative Republicans or conservative Muslims.
And don't try to bring up Antifa. I can't stand Antifa, but at least they haven't killed anyone yet (unless you believe the conspiracy nuts).
The shooter was adopted by a family with the last name of Cruz.
He is a member of the Republic of Florida (RoF) white-supremicist group which has a goal to turn all of Florida into a white ethno-state. They only way they can accomplish that is by deporting millions of American citizens, or killing them.
The gun the killer used was provided by the RoF, and he was noted as being very well trained to shot a large number of people very quickly.
The Shooter is a hardcore Trump M-A-G-A supporter,
So every Trump supporter has blood on his/her hands?
Do all Democrats have blood on their hands because of the Democrat who shot up the Republican softball game?
DiscoGary wrote:
So this crazy white supremacist represents everyone on the right. OK. Do all those Muslim terrorists represent all of Islam?
So, you are 100% okay with allowing Muslims into the USA, as well as the good people of Norway, and Mexicans illegals? You want to give them all a huge and tell them they are your equals?
Wowzers!!!!!! wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:
So are we going to use the Islamic terrorism argument that Muslim mass murderers don't represent Islam, therefore a white supremacist mass murderer doesn't represent all white supremacists?
We don't want to taint the whole group based on the actions of a few. That would be bigotry, right?
OK, let's go with your line of reasoning, kid.
I know that you think that it would be wrong to suggest that a white supremacist mass murderer represents all white supremacists. It follows that you think would be wrong to condemn Islam because of Muslim mass murderers.
Right?
Right?
Pick one. Everyone on the left is about to go into a frenzy about how Trump and his supporters caused this and need to answer for this. All those who do should tell us if Muslim terrorists represent all of Islam, because they call us bigots if we say they do.
You can be a bigot and score political points today, or you can be intellectually consistent and give up your chance to take cheap shots at Trump. Which is it?
DiscoGary wrote:
^Nothing Burger
DiscoGary wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
I was really hoping that this thing wasn't politically motivated.
I hate to say I told you so, but just the day before this school shooting I was talking about how politically motivated deadly violence is almost always perpetrated by the right. The liberal who shot up the baseball players was an aberration. I can't think of any other liberal perpetrators since the Vietnam era.
Since then, people who use deadly violence to make a political statement are almost always either conservative Republicans or conservative Muslims.
And don't try to bring up Antifa. I can't stand Antifa, but at least they haven't killed anyone yet (unless you believe the conspiracy nuts).
So this crazy white supremacist represents everyone on the right. OK. Do all those Muslim terrorists represent all of Islam?
Gary, I know you are trying to use irony and the appearance of hypocrisy to make a point but, you have numerous times yourself made the argument or suggested / implied in your support of Trump that all of Islam and its followers are violent.
Thus, I ask don’t you see your own hypocrisy in the above post? Trump himself used a similar argument when he made a political statement about immigration almost immediately after that Uzbek immigrant ran over people in NYC.
It is very apparent from all the recent mass shooting incidents that there are looney people in every group one can define by religious, ethnic, political and other factors.
The common problem between all of these incidents is two fold: easy access to firearms and a lack of enforcement of existing laws coupled with an unwillingness on the right to even consider additional regulations of firearms and, yes, mental health issues. Both of these need to be not just acknowledged but directly addressed via legislation and changes in domestic policies.
DiscoGary wrote:
Wowzers!!!!!! wrote:
OK, let's go with your line of reasoning, kid.
I know that you think that it would be wrong to suggest that a white supremacist mass murderer represents all white supremacists. It follows that you think would be wrong to condemn Islam because of Muslim mass murderers.
Right?
Right?
Pick one. Everyone on the left is about to go into a frenzy about how Trump and his supporters caused this and need to answer for this. All those who do should tell us if Muslim terrorists represent all of Islam, because they call us bigots if we say they do.
You can be a bigot and score political points today, or you can be intellectually consistent and give up your chance to take cheap shots at Trump. Which is it?
Come on, kid, you can do it!
I know that you think that it would be wrong to suggest that a white supremacist mass murderer represents all white supremacists. It follows that you think would be wrong to condemn Islam because of Muslim mass murderers.
Right?
Right?
Um, Gary.... wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:
So this crazy white supremacist represents everyone on the right. OK. Do all those Muslim terrorists represent all of Islam?
Gary, I know you are trying to use irony and the appearance of hypocrisy to make a point but, you have numerous times yourself made the argument or suggested / implied in your support of Trump that all of Islam and its followers are violent.
Thus, I ask don’t you see your own hypocrisy in the above post? Trump himself used a similar argument when he made a political statement about immigration almost immediately after that Uzbek immigrant ran over people in NYC.
It is very apparent from all the recent mass shooting incidents that there are looney people in every group one can define by religious, ethnic, political and other factors.
The common problem between all of these incidents is two fold: easy access to firearms and a lack of enforcement of existing laws coupled with an unwillingness on the right to even consider additional regulations of firearms and, yes, mental health issues. Both of these need to be not just acknowledged but directly addressed via legislation and changes in domestic policies.
It's more important than pointing out hypocrisy.
I am pointing out the tactic used by left where they use isolated crimes to tarnish their political enemies while refusing to tie crimes to groups they are protecting even when those groups are actively promoting the crime. This is the primary method of demonization used by liberals. Everyone needs to know it is happening because it distorts the world view of those who can not see through it.
I admit that I fail at everything I try here, but at least you should know what I am trying to do.
Wowzers!!!!!! wrote:
I know that you think that it would be wrong to suggest that a white supremacist mass murderer represents all white supremacists. It follows that you think would be wrong to condemn Islam because of Muslim mass murderers.
Right?
Right?
It also follows that DiscoGary obviously believes that the vast majority of illegal aliens, and DACA people, are not evil and are good people who must be allowed to stay in America; regardless that Trump wants to do to them.
DiscoGary wrote:
I am pointing out . . .
The only thing you have pointed out is your white-leaning bigotry.
DiscoGary wrote:
Um, Gary.... wrote:
Gary, I know you are trying to use irony and the appearance of hypocrisy to make a point but, you have numerous times yourself made the argument or suggested / implied in your support of Trump that all of Islam and its followers are violent.
Thus, I ask don’t you see your own hypocrisy in the above post? Trump himself used a similar argument when he made a political statement about immigration almost immediately after that Uzbek immigrant ran over people in NYC.
It is very apparent from all the recent mass shooting incidents that there are looney people in every group one can define by religious, ethnic, political and other factors.
The common problem between all of these incidents is two fold: easy access to firearms and a lack of enforcement of existing laws coupled with an unwillingness on the right to even consider additional regulations of firearms and, yes, mental health issues. Both of these need to be not just acknowledged but directly addressed via legislation and changes in domestic policies.
It's more important than pointing out hypocrisy.
I am pointing out the tactic used by left where they use isolated crimes to tarnish their political enemies while refusing to tie crimes to groups they are protecting even when those groups are actively promoting the crime. This is the primary method of demonization used by liberals. Everyone needs to know it is happening because it distorts the world view of those who can not see through it.
I admit that I fail at everything I try here, but at least you should know what I am trying to do.
Gary, my point is the right does this very same thing! This not “tactic used by the left”, it is a tactic used by both the right and the left which divides us and distracts from actually adressing the underlying issues: easy, almost unrestricted access to firearms and mental health issues.
Can you honestly not see that you, YOURSELF, use the exact tactic you describe constantly on these boards!?!? Do you completely lack insight and self reflection?
DiscoGary wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
I was really hoping that this thing wasn't politically motivated.
I hate to say I told you so, but just the day before this school shooting I was talking about how politically motivated deadly violence is almost always perpetrated by the right. The liberal who shot up the baseball players was an aberration. I can't think of any other liberal perpetrators since the Vietnam era.
Since then, people who use deadly violence to make a political statement are almost always either conservative Republicans or conservative Muslims.
And don't try to bring up Antifa. I can't stand Antifa, but at least they haven't killed anyone yet (unless you believe the conspiracy nuts).
Black Lives Matters shot up those cops.
You're right. That one was politically motivated, though there is debate as to whether the gunman was part of BLM.
I'll give you that one though. That makes two.
Um Gary... wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:
It's more important than pointing out hypocrisy.
I am pointing out the tactic used by left where they use isolated crimes to tarnish their political enemies while refusing to tie crimes to groups they are protecting even when those groups are actively promoting the crime. This is the primary method of demonization used by liberals. Everyone needs to know it is happening because it distorts the world view of those who can not see through it.
I admit that I fail at everything I try here, but at least you should know what I am trying to do.
Gary, my point is the right does this very same thing! This not “tactic used by the left”, it is a tactic used by both the right and the left which divides us and distracts from actually adressing the underlying issues: easy, almost unrestricted access to firearms and mental health issues.
Can you honestly not see that you, YOURSELF, use the exact tactic you describe constantly on these boards!?!? Do you completely lack insight and self reflection?
So you admit that liberals use this tactic to distort the world view of their followers. If you have to say "But everyone does it!" to help you sleep at night, then I'll take the hit without blinking.
Let's make a deal. I'll stop my side from using random events to demonize liberals if you stop your side from using random events to demonize conservatives.
Of course you're forgetting that I was at a whole bunch of Tea Party rallies and I know the kind of stuff my people are made of. I have the easier job.