Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread

>1million? gotta be one of these then:

Rank

Magazine

2008 Circulation

1

AARP BULLETIN

24,374,121

2

AARP THE MAGAZINE

24,121,461

3

READER'S DIGEST

8,307,292

4

BETTER HOMES AND GARDENS

7,655,501

5

NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC

5,060,712

6

GOOD HOUSEKEEPING

4,676,815

7

FAMILY CIRCLE

3,906,135

8

WOMAN'S DAY

3,897,370

9

LADIES' HOME JOURNAL

3,842,434

10

AAA WESTWAYS

3,831,553

11

PEOPLE

3,746,426

12

GAME INFORMER MAGAZINE

3,508,267

13

TIME

3,374,366

14

PREVENTION

3,335,348

15

TV GUIDE

3,266,323

16

SPORTS ILLUSTRATED

3,239,968

17

TASTE OF HOME

3,200,261

18

COSMOPOLITAN

2,932,272

19

SOUTHERN LIVING

2,818,517

20

AAA VIA MAGAZINE

2,816,146

21

NEWSWEEK

2,720,034

22

PLAYBOY

2,658,885

23

AAA GOING PLACES

2,554,147

24

MAXIM

2,528,797

25

AMERICAN LEGION MAGAZINE

2,472,955

26

AAA LIVING

2,445,146

27

O, THE OPRAH MAGAZINE

2,379,818

28

GLAMOUR

2,322,713

29

REDBOOK

2,218,508

30

GUIDEPOSTS

2,204,613

31

AAA WORLD

2,127,511

32

PARENTING

2,076,347

33

PARENTS

2,074,087

34

ESPN THE MAGAZINE

2,053,770

35

MARTHA STEWART LIVING

2,033,890

36

SMITHSONIAN

2,032,651

37

SEVENTEEN

2,029,791

38

REAL SIMPLE

2,003,264

39

MONEY

1,934,784

40

US WEEKLY

1,903,989

41

REMEDY MD

1,874,755

42

MEN'S HEALTH

1,864,101

43

FAMILY FUN

1,858,227

44

COOKING LIGHT

1,816,721

45

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY

1,804,986

46

ENDLESS VACATION

1,802,362

47

IN STYLE

1,792,537

48

EVERYDAY WITH RACHAEL RAY

1,766,692

49

U.S. NEWS & WORLD REPORT

1,721,377

50

SHAPE

1,702,222

51

GOLF DIGEST

1,652,435

52

COUNTRY LIVING

1,626,279

53

FITNESS

1,565,719

54

FIELD & STREAM

1,530,037

55

BIRDS AND BLOOMS

1,520,638

56

VFW MAGAZINE

1,513,096

57

SELF

1,488,849

58

ROLLING STONE

1,461,299

59

COSMO GIRL!

1,418,568

60

AMERICAN RIFLEMAN

1,394,357

61

GOLF MAGAZINE

1,412,994

62

BON APPETIT

1,399,244

63

HEALTH

1,377,226

64

EBONY

1,372,297

65

WOMAN'S WORLD

1,360,159

66

FIRST FOR WOMEN

1,348,424

67

SCHOLASTIC PARENT AND CHILD

1,337,742

68

POPULAR SCIENCE

1,335,082

69

CAR AND DRIVER

1,309,718

70

WEIGHT WATCHERS

1,294,013

71

COUNTRY HOME

1,285,861

72

MORE

1,285,273

73

STAR MAGAZINE

1,273,242

74

VOGUE

1,258,605

75

HOME & AWAY

1,251,021

76

POPULAR MECHANICS

1,235,829

77

SUNSET

1,218,287

78

COUNTRY

1,178,413

79

BOYS' LIFE

1,176,214

80

WOMEN'S HEALTH

1,168,483

81

VANITY FAIR

1,167,499

82

FAMILY HANDYMAN

1,162,252

83

LUCKY

1,158,455

84

REMINISCE

1,067,202

85

MOTOR TREND

1,114,795

86

ELLE

1,103,476

87

ALLURE

1,093,091

88

DOMINO (closed)

1,081,653

89

ESSENCE

1,005,303

90

NEW YORKER

1,002,585

91

SCOUTING

1,030,982

92

TEEN VOGUE

1,021,071

93

COTTAGE LIVING

1,019,085

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Kevin52, you are quite correct--I have not read the entire thread, although it might make interesting recreational reading.

As to your last response, "cutting the course" with him, if in fact that is what he does, would be the entire purpose of running with him. It would be even better, of course, if more than one person ran with him the entire way.

If he were to switch to another mode of transportation that was unavailable to his followers, that could be observed and even recorded.

Has he been shadowed, and if not, why not? Developing an historical record of facts that may constitute circumstantial evidence is one thing, but gathering direct evidence in real time is quite another, and is always more compelling.

It's a near impossibility that anyone would spot him at the beginning of the race. If we know his #, it would be hidden--as are many runners at the start of races--with garbage bags throwaway shirts, etc. If he doesnt want anyone running with him, its doubtful anyone would detect him early on.

You have a good chance detecting him if you hang near the finish line a bit before the 3 hour mark..but thats about it.

With all the scrutiny now. I think if he runs Boston, he'd run it legit. The only other chance that he cheats is if he enters a race last minute before a well conceived plan to follow him is implemented.

Commentator, being an attorney, you do realize that a person can be convicted based on circumstantial evidence, don't you? And I would venture to guess that 99.99% of the people who have read this thread would convict Kip in 5 seconds.

By the way, your original post on page is incredibly pompous and I have no idea (nor do I care) the point you were trying to make.

(Being an attorney, and also a scientist (mech. eng. and environmental science, was involved in biomedical research for years), I would caution non-attorneys, especially Ouch1000, to not try to reach their own conclusions concerning matters of law without the benefit of legal counsel. Despite possible popular image to the contrary, our legal system is not the systematic, methodical, rational, and compartmentalized exercise that is "science". It took me years to understand and finally accept this. Trust me, you will get burned by trying to apply a scientific paradigm to "legal" issues.")

Commentator wrote:

Kevin52, you are quite correct--I have not read the entire thread, although it might make interesting recreational reading.

As to your last response, "cutting the course" with him, if in fact that is what he does, would be the entire purpose of running with him. It would be even better, of course, if more than one person ran with him the entire way.

Has he been shadowed, and if not, why not? Developing an historical record of facts that may constitute circumstantial evidence is one thing, but gathering direct evidence in real time is quite another, and is always more compelling.

Friend, we're WAY, WAY ahead of you here. Except for 2 or 3 of Kip's many races, we weren't aware he was going to or planned to run/compete (duathlon too). In one instance where we were aware of his planned participation, he switched from the marathon to half after learning he'd be tailed and the other he said he got hurt before it. I'd suggest you read the entire thread. Be prepared to go, 'Damn, that guy's got balls!'

[quote]dont know too much wrote:

>1million? gotta be one of these then:

Not RW or RT

http://www.runnersworld.com/mediakit/rw/circulation/circulation.html

RW - 2011 RATE BASE: 660,000

http://www.runnersworld.com/mediakit/rt/circulation/circulation.html

RT - Audited Circulation: 124,630

I could totally see Maxim picking this story up though.

Thank-you, scotth. Although I'm only a recreational runner and visit this site mostly for injury advice, I find the allegations of malfeasance interesting.

Commentator wrote:

Has he been shadowed, and if not, why not? Developing an historical record of facts that may constitute circumstantial evidence is one thing, but gathering direct evidence in real time is quite another, and is always more compelling.

The Kipster hasn't raced since the sh1t hit the fan about a year ago.

As I said...and many didn't believe, he will make money off of this.

ScottH is very smart and knows more than most, but the market WILL pay him as many are interested.

Honestly, I am from Michigan and have read much of the thread and participated in some, but I could care less about "buying" a magazine or seeing a story about it as he's alledgedly cheated many, many times. When he knows people know about a race, he's injured. If he thinks he's being tailed, he can just drop out. No mystery here.

While perusing Facebook, I found that there is now a Study of Kip Litton page. The collection of celebrity runners is a veritable who's who of distance running (Goucher, Hall, Acosta, Abdirahm, Lindgren, et al). This guy's story has piqued the collective consciousness of the masses.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002146623660

I dont think those professional runners are all that interested in it but rather that the study of kip litton account friended them

I wonder who will play The Kipster in the forthcoming movie

off course Oscar wrote:

As I said...and many didn't believe, he will make money off of this.

ScottH is very smart and knows more than most, but the market WILL pay him as many are interested.

Honestly, I am from Michigan and have read much of the thread and participated in some, but I could care less about "buying" a magazine or seeing a story about it as he's alledgedly cheated many, many times. When he knows people know about a race, he's injured. If he thinks he's being tailed, he can just drop out. No mystery here.

True, but the magazine that the article is coming out in is not a running magazine. The good thing about that is maybe a major media network could pick up on it... or at least his local stations. Talk about embarrassing for the guy.

The sad thing about all this, after talking to a few of the RDs who have DQed him, it really sounds like embarrassment is not going to stop this guy. He can race under a different name, or just go to other races.

But like others have said, the key is getting the story out there, maybe race directors then will just not allow him to register in their marathons.

Loofa Dog wrote:

...it really sounds like embarrassment is not going to stop this guy. He can race under a different name, or just go to other races.

I came to the same conclusion a while ago. He's told me he plans to continue his running/fund raising ways. But, after the story is published, whether he can muster the gall to keep showing up is hazy. I say he won't.

It looks like, based on these numbers, that it is the elderly who are reading magazines. It's not until #12 that the Gamers get some acknowledgment. The "Gentelmen" who read Playboy and Maxim need to increase their numbers or the days of hard copy girlie magazines will be gone.

Dick Tracy Jr wrote:

Even more interesting is that he recently registered for the Zoom Yah Yah Marathon in Minnesota on Jan 8. For those who don't know, this race is entirely on an INDOOR track! There are less than 50 entrants- need I say more? Do we have any LRs that live in the MSP area?

This is gonna be good...

I have previously corresponded with the race director of Zoom Yah Yah and I sent him an email tonight asking whether Litton is in fact registered for the 2012 race and also a link to the Study of Kip Litton web site.

Thanks for reaching out the RD AlmostBQ - this sounds strange to me. I have some friends who have run Zoom Ya Ya and it's a lotto... not too friendly for someone to be "just registering" for in my book.

Per marathonguide.com: We will have a lottery again for 2012. Registration forms must be received by 8/31/2011.

http://www.marathonguide.com/races/racedetails.cfm?MIDD=2641080113

That said, even if he is in it, I've competed in some 1 hour runs w my local track club. Even with a personal lap counter and the best intentions, its a lot of work to keep track of laps over the course of the hour. And although I had a general idea of who was moving LOTS faster and LOTS slower than me, no way I was keeping track of anyone elses specific lap count.

And this was just an hour.

Keeping track of laps over the course of a marathon... get a friend who rounds up as your lap counter, and you could probably pull off a sub-3 fairly easily. ;)

scotth wrote:

Loofa Dog wrote:

...it really sounds like embarrassment is not going to stop this guy. He can race under a different name, or just go to other races.

I came to the same conclusion a while ago. He's told me he plans to continue his running/fund raising ways. But, after the story is published, whether he can muster the gall to keep showing up is hazy. I say he won't.

ScottH,

If you dont mind us asking, can you tell people reading this thread if the article is still going to come out eventually (like in less than 1 year) even if its writer isn't able to get Kip to "come out?" Thanks!

~LetsRun.com community.