We don't need a million thread on this topic. We like one thread per topic. We merged several others into this thread including one called "Alex Pretti was a deranged lunatic." and one called "New York Times reports that Pretti attacked ICE cars 11 days before his death" and one called "LeBron James: Why hasn't he commented on the Alex Pretti killing?"
Is it reasonable to believe you’re getting shot at when you have a guy pinned on his stomach and your colleague just removed the gun from a secure holster that was never touched?
Are you suggesting the presence of a gun is enough for reasonable belief? SCOTUS disagrees
I ALWAYS have a gun on me, so usually when I get confronted by law enforcement, no matter what I'm doing, I try to get away, and if that doesn't work, I try to wrestle them. Works like a charm. Even if there are seven cops, I can usually out fight them and live to agitate I mean protest another day.
I've been confronted by law enforcement and even got arrested during my younger days. The first thing the officer did was to ask me whether I had any weapons and then had me put my hands interlocked behind my head so he could frisk me. The only tense moment was when I let out a little giggle because I am very ticklish. The officer asked "what is so funny.". Then he told me I was under arrest and put handcuffs on me. This is apparently not some new and innovative procedure but is something that every law enforcement official is trained to do. But the CBP hotheads pepper sprayed without warning and then dog piled Pretti for no reason other than they wanted to crack some skulls that day because they were sick of protestors (and may have recognized Pretti from the prior incident and wanted to rough him up).
I've been confronted by law enforcement and even got arrested during my younger days. The first thing the officer did was to ask me whether I had any weapons and then had me put my hands interlocked behind my head so he could frisk me. The only tense moment was when I let out a little giggle because I am very ticklish. The officer asked "what is so funny.". Then he told me I was under arrest and put handcuffs on me. This is apparently not some new and innovative procedure but is something that every law enforcement official is trained to do. But the CBP hotheads pepper sprayed without warning and then dog piled Pretti for no reason other than they wanted to crack some skulls that day because they were sick of protestors (and may have recognized Pretti from the prior incident and wanted to rough him up).
Well one thing is for sure based on your comments is that Alexi Pretti wasn't a Trumper--which is why you're okay with his extra-judicial street execution by federal agents. If he were a Trumper, you'd definitely be lobbying for a full pardon or, in this case, resurrection by your Lord & Savior Donald J. Trump.
Well one thing is for sure based on your comments is that Alexi Pretti wasn't a Trumper--which is why you're okay with his extra-judicial street execution by federal agents. If he were a Trumper, you'd definitely be lobbying for a full pardon or, in this case, resurrection by your Lord & Savior Donald J. Trump.
I knew he wasn't a Trumper the minute I heard he was a male nurse
We can't have constructive conversations about this until everyone agrees to some basic facts.
1. (and foremost) ICE are not law enforcement. It is not in there job description to interact with anyone, under any circumstances, unless they have a FEDERAL warrant for an individual who's citizenship is in question.
Everything they are doing in any of the cities they are in is illegal.
Not believing that does not make your opposing opinion correct.
2. So far, the protests have been peaceful UNLESS they were led to violence by the illegal actions of ICE.
3. Trump sending federal agents (ICE, National Guard, etc) WITHOUT the consent of the mayor and or governor is illegal.
4. Renee Good DID NOT drive at anyone with her car.
5. Pretti was not brandishing his gun. It was holstered and was registered and he had a permit to carry it (yes, even to a protest, even to a place where there are federal agents).
6. ICE has been detaining legal immigrants and even citizens. Among them, little children.
7. Undocumented DOES NOT mean illegal.
this is pathetic.
We cant have a debate until a bunch of nonsense is accepted as fact?
Do you know how absurd this makes you look?
Lets start with number 1 in bold and if that is remotely reaonsable, carry on.
So your first (and foremost ) premise is so easily debunked, im not going to bother to continue.
This sort of completely incorrect post is an embarassment to you and your political chums.
And you are why we're where we are at. Your absolute ignorance. Good God I hope you're an old man who just can't face the reality of the world we're in now.
And you are why we're where we are at. Your absolute ignorance. Good God I hope you're an old man who just can't face the reality of the world we're in now.
If you think that ICE isn't law enforcement, it only demonstrates your absolute ignorance.
And you are why we're where we are at. Your absolute ignorance. Good God I hope you're an old man who just can't face the reality of the world we're in now.
If you think that ICE isn't law enforcement, it only demonstrates your absolute ignorance.
And not believing that they are does not make your opposing opinion correct.
So your first (and foremost ) premise is so easily debunked, im not going to bother to continue.
This sort of completely incorrect post is an embarassment to you and your political chums.
And you are why we're where we are at. Your absolute ignorance. Good God I hope you're an old man who just can't face the reality of the world we're in now.
Everything I said is factually true.
False.
They are conducting raids on BAD BAD PEOPLE that you as a 66 year old supports...absolutely sickening----and you are a grandpa? Despicable at best.
Obama had the same raids and had ice to the same.
What's the biggest difference? Are you really THAT dense to not know?
Trump is in charge. Liberals lost an election that the supposed EXPERTS said would be a landslide. They are angry. NOW, when ICE shows up, they protest. Conservatives didn't do that and in fact supported Obama for the efforts of ICE when he was in Office.
Do YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE for even one minute that if Biden were in Office and the same arrest were happening, there'd be the same protest? You have to be demented to an exponential level to believe such nonsense.
No, instead he let in 8 to 10 million and of course, you as a liberal were fine with that.
The protests HAVE NOT been peaceful, that is a complete lie. What bloody planet are you living on up there in Upstate New York? They are in the streets all over Minnesota throwing things at ICE and many were pushing them without being arrested.
YOU sir are the problem with your party. Complete lies. You will cherry pick 2 incidents and forget the dozens and dozens of violent acts against ICE. Try going out in your street, stand there and stop a car by pressing on their hood and see what happens when the police arrive. You will be going to jail sir, jail.
Posters like runn are a HUGE part of the problem. You need help sir as you are less than 4 years from 70 and are losing it. Bias, sure. Lying like you did and calling them facts, YIKES!
So your first (and foremost ) premise is so easily debunked, im not going to bother to continue.
This sort of completely incorrect post is an embarassment to you and your political chums.
And you are why we're where we are at. Your absolute ignorance. Good God I hope you're an old man who just can't face the reality of the world we're in now.
Everything I said is factually true.
Oh dear.
I have given you ample evidence that what I say is correct and given you ample space to refute it.
But you just call me ignorant and say you are factual despite ample evidence to the contrary and your own opportunity to factually refute.
Do you not realise how much this plays into my hands and how much it makes you look stupid?
And yet you double down.
Madness.
But thanks, I suppose. Id rather an informed debate, like precious Roy.
Yes, we need to remember Mollie Tibbetts and Larkin Riley--horrific acts of violence took them both way too soon. Where were they murdered again? In which states did those murders occur? Were they in dangerous Lib run sanctuary cities when they were murdered? How do we know if there aren't groups of roving "illegals" in those states / cities looking to murder and rape more people? Many people are saying there might be more "illegals" in those areas....why hasn't Trump unleased ICE on those states for retribution / revenge for the murders of Tibbetts and Riley?
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