This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
Anyone who won’t get their kids vaccinated against Measles is really low IQ. However, a president who lets pretty much anyone come across the border without checking their vax status or any status is even more so. Disappointing.
These kind of posts that insinuate I am a bad father really get under my skin. I wish the BroJos would crack down on things I disagree with.
These kind of posts that insinuate I am a bad father really get under my skin. I wish the BroJos would crack down on things I disagree with.
to be fair, your kids are made up.
You’re literally so stupid that you don’t even realize that Sub-9:00 guy and Sub-9 guy aren’t the same people. Harambe stole the Sub-9 handle and registered it. Your preoccupation is really weird too.
You’re literally so stupid that you don’t even realize that Sub-9:00 guy and Sub-9 guy aren’t the same people. Harambe stole the Sub-9 handle and registered it. Your preoccupation is really weird too.
As far as we know, Harambe, Sub-9 guy, 2600bro and Moron Shep are all the same poster. You should think about who you are talking to.
You’re literally so stupid that you don’t even realize that Sub-9:00 guy and Sub-9 guy aren’t the same people. Harambe stole the Sub-9 handle and registered it. Your preoccupation is really weird too.
As far as we know, Harambe, Sub-9 guy, 2600bro and Moron Shep are all the same poster. You should think about who you are talking to.
You’re literally so stupid that you don’t even realize that Sub-9:00 guy and Sub-9 guy aren’t the same people. Harambe stole the Sub-9 handle and registered it. Your preoccupation is really weird too.
As far as we know, Harambe, Sub-9 guy, 2600bro and Moron Shep are all the same poster. You should think about who you are talking to.
I have only ever posted as Harambe on this thread. Can we stay on topic?
You’re literally so stupid that you don’t even realize that Sub-9:00 guy and Sub-9 guy aren’t the same people. Harambe stole the Sub-9 handle and registered it. Your preoccupation is really weird too.
I think all antivaxxers are sincere in their beliefs, if totally devoid of data.
Fisky pushed vitamin D, Poviodine, and Ivermectin. Just one more trial bro.
As a general rule, I would reject as overly generalizing any statement that begins with "all antivaxxers are . . .".
I don't have a problem with persons who's argument I disagree with but who are willing to discuss the available evidence. I don't have much patience for going in circles with the same vacuous BS over and over and over.
I'd happily sit down and have a beer with fisky even with the expectation that we wouldn't end up agreeing on certain things.
People can disagree without being disagreeable.
I agree with you about not over-generalizing as well as Fisky’s sincereness.
But, where you fall short is assuming a guy like me is insincere when I’m telling you that my family and friends who refused the mRNA vaccination and, perhaps followed Fisky’s protocol, contracted Covid, mitigated it, and developed rock solid immunity. Again, my daughter just experienced this on her college campus, where only the unvaccinated avoided Covid again.
I believe natural immunity is superior to vaccine-induced immunity, particularly if you’ve had multiple infections. That’s how the immune system works. You develop B and T cell mediated immunity to multiple epitopes without being supersensitized to just one antigen, however good. You dismiss this as anecdotal, and, therefore insincere. But it’s real. And it’s a valid position.
You just simply think you have all the data, but you don’t. Again, multiple examples of vaccine-injured people not making their way back to VAERS. So, how good is it? Just as I know not one unvaccinated person who was recruited for a trial to look at their immunity versus, say, four shots of the mRNA vaccine. To which you respond, see, guys, they want us to run “impossible trials” and refuse to do so themselves. Whatever. It doesn’t mean your data is complete.
Ultimately, the old (>65), obese, and comorbid needed to get vaccinated. Everyone else could’ve followed Fisky’s easy protocol of vitamin D, Poviodine, and Ivermectin and really mitigated the disease. I actually asked my doctor to measure my vitamin D, which insurance never wants to pay for, and I was something like 22, low normal. He encouraged me to start taking 10,000 IUs per day to get it to 60. I also took Xlear along with some simple immune boosting supplements when I first got Covid, and it was literally no big deal.
And then when you, I think, sincerely seek why people are so quick to dismiss the CDC or NIH’s positions, I tell you to go read Osler’s Web to see just how political and full of human error these organizations can be. If you want a sincere answer, then you will sincerely follow through. It’s the least you can do if you don’t want vacuous trolling.
As a general rule, I would reject as overly generalizing any statement that begins with "all antivaxxers are . . .".
I don't have a problem with persons who's argument I disagree with but who are willing to discuss the available evidence. I don't have much patience for going in circles with the same vacuous BS over and over and over.
I'd happily sit down and have a beer with fisky even with the expectation that we wouldn't end up agreeing on certain things.
People can disagree without being disagreeable.
I agree with you about not over-generalizing as well as Fisky’s sincereness.
But, where you fall short is assuming a guy like me is insincere when I’m telling you that my family and friends who refused the mRNA vaccination and, perhaps followed Fisky’s protocol, contracted Covid, mitigated it, and developed rock solid immunity. Again, my daughter just experienced this on her college campus, where only the unvaccinated avoided Covid again.
I believe natural immunity is superior to vaccine-induced immunity, particularly if you’ve had multiple infections. That’s how the immune system works. You develop B and T cell mediated immunity to multiple epitopes without being supersensitized to just one antigen, however good. You dismiss this as anecdotal, and, therefore insincere. But it’s real. And it’s a valid position.
You just simply think you have all the data, but you don’t. Again, multiple examples of vaccine-injured people not making their way back to VAERS. So, how good is it? Just as I know not one unvaccinated person who was recruited for a trial to look at their immunity versus, say, four shots of the mRNA vaccine. To which you respond, see, guys, they want us to run “impossible trials” and refuse to do so themselves. Whatever. It doesn’t mean your data is complete.
Ultimately, the old (>65), obese, and comorbid needed to get vaccinated. Everyone else could’ve followed Fisky’s easy protocol of vitamin D, Poviodine, and Ivermectin and really mitigated the disease. I actually asked my doctor to measure my vitamin D, which insurance never wants to pay for, and I was something like 22, low normal. He encouraged me to start taking 10,000 IUs per day to get it to 60. I also took Xlear along with some simple immune boosting supplements when I first got Covid, and it was literally no big deal.
And then when you, I think, sincerely seek why people are so quick to dismiss the CDC or NIH’s positions, I tell you to go read Osler’s Web to see just how political and full of human error these organizations can be. If you want a sincere answer, then you will sincerely follow through. It’s the least you can do if you don’t want vacuous trolling.
Fellas, ok, I understand that there’s probably very little downside to “vitamin D, Poviodine, and IVM,” but do you honestly believe it’s just as effective as the five injections of vaccine I’ve taken and encouraged? This virus mutates you know. So, is a targeted semi-annual vaccine or holistic immunity a better strategy?
Seems like you fools will do anything to confirm your priors.
As a general rule, I would reject as overly generalizing any statement that begins with "all antivaxxers are . . .".
I don't have a problem with persons who's argument I disagree with but who are willing to discuss the available evidence. I don't have much patience for going in circles with the same vacuous BS over and over and over.
I'd happily sit down and have a beer with fisky even with the expectation that we wouldn't end up agreeing on certain things.
People can disagree without being disagreeable.
I agree with you about not over-generalizing as well as Fisky’s sincereness.
But, where you fall short is assuming a guy like me is insincere when I’m telling you that my family and friends who refused the mRNA vaccination and, perhaps followed Fisky’s protocol, contracted Covid, mitigated it, and developed rock solid immunity. Again, my daughter just experienced this on her college campus, where only the unvaccinated avoided Covid again.
I believe natural immunity is superior to vaccine-induced immunity, particularly if you’ve had multiple infections. That’s how the immune system works. You develop B and T cell mediated immunity to multiple epitopes without being supersensitized to just one antigen, however good. You dismiss this as anecdotal, and, therefore insincere. But it’s real. And it’s a valid position.
You just simply think you have all the data, but you don’t. Again, multiple examples of vaccine-injured people not making their way back to VAERS. So, how good is it? Just as I know not one unvaccinated person who was recruited for a trial to look at their immunity versus, say, four shots of the mRNA vaccine. To which you respond, see, guys, they want us to run “impossible trials” and refuse to do so themselves. Whatever. It doesn’t mean your data is complete.
Ultimately, the old (>65), obese, and comorbid needed to get vaccinated. Everyone else could’ve followed Fisky’s easy protocol of vitamin D, Poviodine, and Ivermectin and really mitigated the disease. I actually asked my doctor to measure my vitamin D, which insurance never wants to pay for, and I was something like 22, low normal. He encouraged me to start taking 10,000 IUs per day to get it to 60. I also took Xlear along with some simple immune boosting supplements when I first got Covid, and it was literally no big deal.
And then when you, I think, sincerely seek why people are so quick to dismiss the CDC or NIH’s positions, I tell you to go read Osler’s Web to see just how political and full of human error these organizations can be. If you want a sincere answer, then you will sincerely follow through. It’s the least you can do if you don’t want vacuous trolling.
There's no need to continue to post your novel verbatim every day. All of these points have been refuted.
People < 45 died by the thousands during the Delta wave. I bet many of them wish they had taken the vaccine. But who knows, maybe blasting some stuff up their nose with less safety and efficacy studies than the vaccine would have worked even better.
The raging about 'stuff not making it into VAERS' just means you are openly ignoring the published studies on vaccine safety. The only source you will listen to is the same you you say must be missing tons of safety signals. Curious and... highly motivated!
Lastly, ivermectin is complete, debunked junk. It does nothing for COVID. It's failed every large trial, including one even a few weeks ago. The fact that you still reference it means you have zero interest in updating your knowledge and opinions about COVID. It's been the same party line since 2021. Someone should do a study on too much vitamin D, IVM, nose goop, covid infections and effects on neural plasticity.
I agree with you about not over-generalizing as well as Fisky’s sincereness.
But, where you fall short is assuming a guy like me is insincere when I’m telling you that my family and friends who refused the mRNA vaccination and, perhaps followed Fisky’s protocol, contracted Covid, mitigated it, and developed rock solid immunity. Again, my daughter just experienced this on her college campus, where only the unvaccinated avoided Covid again.
I believe natural immunity is superior to vaccine-induced immunity, particularly if you’ve had multiple infections. That’s how the immune system works. You develop B and T cell mediated immunity to multiple epitopes without being supersensitized to just one antigen, however good. You dismiss this as anecdotal, and, therefore insincere. But it’s real. And it’s a valid position.
You just simply think you have all the data, but you don’t. Again, multiple examples of vaccine-injured people not making their way back to VAERS. So, how good is it? Just as I know not one unvaccinated person who was recruited for a trial to look at their immunity versus, say, four shots of the mRNA vaccine. To which you respond, see, guys, they want us to run “impossible trials” and refuse to do so themselves. Whatever. It doesn’t mean your data is complete.
Ultimately, the old (>65), obese, and comorbid needed to get vaccinated. Everyone else could’ve followed Fisky’s easy protocol of vitamin D, Poviodine, and Ivermectin and really mitigated the disease. I actually asked my doctor to measure my vitamin D, which insurance never wants to pay for, and I was something like 22, low normal. He encouraged me to start taking 10,000 IUs per day to get it to 60. I also took Xlear along with some simple immune boosting supplements when I first got Covid, and it was literally no big deal.
And then when you, I think, sincerely seek why people are so quick to dismiss the CDC or NIH’s positions, I tell you to go read Osler’s Web to see just how political and full of human error these organizations can be. If you want a sincere answer, then you will sincerely follow through. It’s the least you can do if you don’t want vacuous trolling.
There's no need to continue to post your novel verbatim every day. All of these points have been refuted.
People < 45 died by the thousands during the Delta wave. I bet many of them wish they had taken the vaccine. But who knows, maybe blasting some stuff up their nose with less safety and efficacy studies than the vaccine would have worked even better.
The raging about 'stuff not making it into VAERS' just means you are openly ignoring the published studies on vaccine safety. The only source you will listen to is the same you you say must be missing tons of safety signals. Curious and... highly motivated!
Lastly, ivermectin is complete, debunked junk. It does nothing for COVID. It's failed every large trial, including one even a few weeks ago. The fact that you still reference it means you have zero interest in updating your knowledge and opinions about COVID. It's been the same party line since 2021. Someone should do a study on too much vitamin D, IVM, nose goop, covid infections and effects on neural plasticity.
Pretty good rage level for someone who wasn’t even being spoken to.
Btw, for others interested, I wasn’t promoting Ivermectin at all, but Fisky’s points about none of the studies administering it early enough or long enough are valid. None of the studies looked at Ivermectin for seven days plus, so they prove what they set out to prove, which is not much. Forget Ivermectin though, a virucidal nasal spray and vitamin D were just damn good ideas, vaccinated or not.
There's no need to continue to post your novel verbatim every day. All of these points have been refuted.
People < 45 died by the thousands during the Delta wave. I bet many of them wish they had taken the vaccine. But who knows, maybe blasting some stuff up their nose with less safety and efficacy studies than the vaccine would have worked even better.
The raging about 'stuff not making it into VAERS' just means you are openly ignoring the published studies on vaccine safety. The only source you will listen to is the same you you say must be missing tons of safety signals. Curious and... highly motivated!
Lastly, ivermectin is complete, debunked junk. It does nothing for COVID. It's failed every large trial, including one even a few weeks ago. The fact that you still reference it means you have zero interest in updating your knowledge and opinions about COVID. It's been the same party line since 2021. Someone should do a study on too much vitamin D, IVM, nose goop, covid infections and effects on neural plasticity.
Pretty good rage level for someone who wasn’t even being spoken to.
Btw, for others interested, I wasn’t promoting Ivermectin at all, but Fisky’s points about none of the studies administering it early enough or long enough are valid. None of the studies looked at Ivermectin for seven days plus, so they prove what they set out to prove, which is not much. Forget Ivermectin though, a virucidal nasal spray and vitamin D were just damn good ideas, vaccinated or not.
They are not valid. "Just one more trial" is not a valid critique. Basic pharmacology says that if you are contending that your drug works with a huge effect, you'd expect to see some signal even at suboptimal dosing or time frames. There is no signal. Nobody believes if you dosed 2 days long you'd magically see a big signal against COVID – especially when you have to go up against the extremely high efficacy of the vaccines.
And you quite literally promoted ivermectin the in the previous post, but I appreciate the backtracking. The small display of intellectual honesty is nice to see.
