Jerry’s athletes run well under fast, set-up, perfect condition time trials. Payton Jordan, Indoors at BU, the meet where Shelby set the AR, etc. It’s not a huge surprise that this doesn’t translate to the global championship level.
NOP races all the time in all kinds of conditions with varying race scenarios.
Who has more medals? It’s not even close.
objectiveobserver wrote:
It looks very strange that three runners late in their careers can improve that much in the 5000m.
Ummm, Kincaid is like 5-10 years younger than the other two. How do you lump him in with Lomong & Centro?
BTC Hater wrote:
Jerry’s athletes run well under fast, set-up, perfect condition time trials. Payton Jordan, Indoors at BU, the meet where Shelby set the AR, etc. It’s not a huge surprise that this doesn’t translate to the global championship level.
NOP races all the time in all kinds of conditions with varying race scenarios.
Who has more medals? It’s not even close.
I just don't understand why BTC don't race more, that's part of the fun of running. Also, if you get injured before the champs, you've got nothing to show for the whole season of work you've done not racing.
This is why the sport is dying and there is no path to recovey. Rather than run in a actual race 3 of America's top runners including the defending Olympic Gold Medalist at 1500 run a time trial with no competition on a track where few could watch, with minimal media coverage before or after. I am a lifelong fan of the sport and someone who has dedicated years to training and I get 0 excitement out of this.
This is something that needs to be corrected. I'm not sure what the best way is but guys running no races all season long then showing up to championships is terrible for the sport. Maybe requiring people to run X number of IAAF sanctioned races to be eligible for the Olympics and World championships is the answer. Not a perfect solution but we've got to get these guys racing each other some.
older age wrote:
objectiveobserver wrote:
It looks very strange that three runners late in their careers can improve that much in the 5000m.
Ummm, Kincaid is like 5-10 years younger than the other two. How do you lump him in with Lomong & Centro?
And how many hard 5000's has centro even run on the track? Schumacher training is drastically different than Salazar training in terms of strength as well.
Primo Numero Uno wrote:
I am a lifelong fan of the sport and someone who has dedicated years to training and I get 0 excitement out of this.
That says more about you than it does about the state of the sport.
Comparing rupps and woody's times are ridiculous in this situation. This was the equivalent of the breaking2 for kipchoge. There is a reason records are supposed to be in real races. This race had to have 3 non pros in it and get lapped so that it could be considered a "race."
Btw, 14:45 looked like they were absolutely standing still compared to 12:58. It was impressive to see that difference in speed
HOOWIE wrote:
EZ10Miler wrote:
Only on LR could we have an 3 American runners go 12:58, 13:00, 13:00 and people would have issue with it.
Because it's not a real race that's why.
No different than the setup for Bannister's 3:59.4.
Do you have an issue with that?
Lhffhjjgf wrote:
2 biggest mysteries in track:
How Rupp only has a 12:58 5000 pr?
and
Who is Woody Kincaid?
You're a real student of the sport, aren't you?
¥ as well wrote:
£££££££ wrote:
Yep, did the same thing to Lopez Lomong.
Yep, Mo Ahmed and Houlihan, too. What a shame.
Crazy how people expect everyone to be a world beater in the group. Its ideal but realistically everyone who is a professional is not always going to be a world champion. Or even top 5 for that matter.
Who needs EPO when you can train at altitude and get the same effect? They were in Park City training, come back to sea level and voila. Altitude is legal blood doping. There is a reason that NAU, BYU and CU are consistently in the top 5-10 teams in the country.
Nike has about 5,000 local employees in Portland. Not a bad crowd for a 9:00PM start on a school night. Not every employee at the Swoosh is a track geek (Fun Fact: Nike makes stuff for other sports and sell more of them too!).
It rained before the race. This atmospheric phenomena is known to happen in the PNW with alarming frequency. The track was not doused beforehand with EPO, CERA, RoundUp, Evian, Diet Sprite, or Astroglide.
It's kind of difficult for Americans to get into races that will promote such fast times. The IAAF has essentially killed the 5,000 at Euro meets. Euro promoters tend to only invite Africans and Ingebrigtsens anyway. Championship races tend to be slow staring contests with a kick at the end. American summer meets are usually second rate affairs for distance athletes held in hot and humid places that are not conducive to fast times.
Congrats to BTC for a well run race/time trial that got three Americans the Oly standard!
10,000 more prestigious wrote:
U.S. Olympian >>>>>>>>> World Team Member
I hate when people say stuff like this. Worlds and the olympics have literally the exact same people either competing in it or trying to compete in it. Only difference is worlds gives the reigning champion a free pass so it is arguably a stronger field than the olympics. Maybe there is more of a monetary gain from winning the olympics but it is the same exact people.
Kincaid is less than 3 years younger than Centro. But I did not only look at age.
In Kincaids IAAF profile there has been recorded no results in 2017 and 2018 and before that only mediocre ones so he looked that a guy who has been close to winding down.
We will see if he can run this time again in later meetings.
objectiveobserver wrote:
In Kincaids IAAF profile there has been recorded no results in 2017 and 2018 a
Look again dumb-dumb.
hot singles in your town wrote:
HOOWIE wrote:
Because it's not a real race that's why.
shut the god damn hell up
Sorry for being a fan of the sport and discussing the sport on a track and field message board.
Iffley Road Track wrote:
HOOWIE wrote:
Because it's not a real race that's why.
No different than the setup for Bannister's 3:59.4.
Do you have an issue with that?
Yes I do because you stated it blatantly that Bannisters attempt was 'set up.' I can accept the fast time but there will always be an asterisk to these performances and we all know it.
Primo Numero Uno wrote:
This is why the sport is dying and there is no path to recovey.
You say the sport is dying because runners don't run more often. It is also possible that runners don't run more often because the sport is dying. When more people cared about track, there were more races. Now that people don't care as much about track, there are fewer races. In other words, lack of races is a symptom of the death of the sport, not the other way around.
I could be wrong, but if I had to bet, I'd bet that lack of interest is the real cause here.
idioso wrote:
objectiveobserver wrote:
In Kincaids IAAF profile there has been recorded no results in 2017 and 2018 a
Look again dumb-dumb.
And this is just the thing. Go on IAAF and Woody is number 8 ahead of Yomif Kejelcha the indoor mile WR holder. Like I stated in my previous posts it is fine that these guys are running fast but when you put value to it - what is more valuable? Running 13 flat against 3 of your teammates or running 13 flat in a diamond league final/WC? Similar comparisons can be made for Kipchoge's breaking 2 attempts. I personally enjoyed the legit WR in Berlin or whatever compared to his time trial attempts. I am not complaining in anyway if anything I am frustrated because I'd like to see Woody tear ass in Doha.
HOOWIE wrote:
Iffley Road Track wrote:
No different than the setup for Bannister's 3:59.4.
Do you have an issue with that?
Yes I do because you stated it blatantly that Bannisters attempt was 'set up.' I can accept the fast time but there will always be an asterisk to these performances and we all know it.
Except there were a grand total of 3 guys capable of running competitively with Bannister at that time and transportation and logistics made it harder to get them together since it was almost 70 years ago and all 3 lived on separate continents.
Given we live in the 21st century and getting to Europe is no big deal. Plus there are about 50 guys in the world capable of running at or close to the pace they ran last night which by the way is over 20 seconds off, not an iconic barrier. Bannister did not have the same opportunity to get a field to compete with him and it definitely was not an era where it could have been broadcasted across social media so the world could have tuned in and watched it by webcast. Saying this is similar to Bannister's world record attempt is absurd when you consider the environment of 3 quarters of a century ago to now.