"Hey all," that's cute that this "moorest" guy thought he could "close this thread down" back when he posted this trash on page 4.
The responses doubled, and here we are on page 9.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It’s no skin off my back that this thread is still going. But you, my friend, are just digging yourself a deeper and deeper hole.
Huh?
I was right! (OP here on another device.)
I said “until proven otherwise.” Do you disagree that he has uncooked himself??
The next step in his recovery would be to win one against an international field, and not slow domestics like today. (Funny he chose to solo TT rather than running off the front at Millrose.)
Today’s competition was piss-weak, with the small field all 5-12 seconds back.
It’s no skin off my back that this thread is still going. But you, my friend, are just digging yourself a deeper and deeper hole.
Huh?
I was right! (OP here on another device.)
I said “until proven otherwise.” Do you disagree that he has uncooked himself??
The next step in his recovery would be to win one against an international field, and not slow domestics like today. (Funny he chose to solo TT rather than running off the front at Millrose.)
Today’s competition was piss-weak, with the small field all 5-12 seconds back.
Do you have a humiliation fetish?
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I said “until proven otherwise.” Do you disagree that he has uncooked himself??
The next step in his recovery would be to win one against an international field, and not slow domestics like today. (Funny he chose to solo TT rather than running off the front at Millrose.)
Today’s competition was piss-weak, with the small field all 5-12 seconds back.
It’s no skin off my back that this thread is still going. But you, my friend, are just digging yourself a deeper and deeper hole.
Huh?
I was right! (OP here on another device.)
I said “until proven otherwise.” Do you disagree that he has uncooked himself??
The next step in his recovery would be to win one against an international field, and not slow domestics like today. (Funny he chose to solo TT rather than running off the front at Millrose.)
Today’s competition was piss-weak, with the small field all 5-12 seconds back.
His competition was not the best BUT HIS TIME (ALMOST) WAS.
I said “until proven otherwise.” Do you disagree that he has uncooked himself??
The next step in his recovery would be to win one against an international field, and not slow domestics like today. (Funny he chose to solo TT rather than running off the front at Millrose.)
Today’s competition was piss-weak, with the small field all 5-12 seconds back.
His competition was not the best BUT HIS TIME (ALMOST) WAS.
Meh.
It’s about RACING, not time trials.
The only runner with a sub-3:50 PB, Festis Lagat, was DNS. (Paid not to start?)
Champions race the best.
Hocker ducked everyone at Wannamaker, preferring to TT a paced mile against weak competition, who were barely even on the straight when he finished.
Not much of a burn to Jakob to say he had weaker competition and still ran faster lol.
It’s not a burn. It’s just noting that it’d be silly to say Hocker had “weak” competition when Jakob carved out his mile race with it excluding two guys who could’ve run 3:47 (Habz already had I think) and were at the meet. To be fair, it might’ve been Habz idea to have a crack to win and set a French record at home.
The only runner with a sub-3:50 PB, Festis Lagat, was DNS. (Paid not to start?)
Champions race the best.
Hocker ducked everyone at Wannamaker, preferring to TT a paced mile against weak competition, who were barely even on the straight when he finished.
FACTS.
Ruthe has a sub-3:50 PB as does Ciattei. Hocker ran against a historically strong 2-mile field. Not his fault Grant pulled out.
A fit Fisher pulled out of the 2-mile against Hocker. Leaving behind a slow kickfest between mostly milers (Hocker, Kerr, Wightman, slow Beamish) in his absence.
THEN, Festus Lagat pulled out of the mile against Hocker. He ran 3:29.0 in 2025; faster than Hocker managed in 2025, and MUCH faster than the scrubfest following Hocker’s TT five seconds back (3:50-3:57).
Who would benefit from some money changing hands to protect a Hocker win?
Hocker ducked everyone at Wannamaker, preferring to TT a paced mile against weak competition, who were barely even on the straight when he finished.
FACTS.
Hocker ran against a historically strong 2-mile field.
He reallly didn’t. Some big “names” to the casual fan, but not to anyone paying attention…
Let's look at the three world champs Hocker raced:
- Kerr (WC 1500…three years ago) - clearly still dealing with injury. Withdrawing from races, talking about WRs, running nothing fast.
- Beamish (WC steeple 2025) - With weak lifetime PBs of 3:34, 7:34 and 8:05, this is the guy who literally proves the steeple is for runners too slow for the real races. This unimpressive 8:07 race was actually fast for him. (Pop quiz: How far back do you need to go to find a steeple win slower than Beamish's 8:33.8? THERE WASN'T ONE, EVER. NOT ONCE SINCE THE EVENT WAS ADDED TO THE WC IN 1983 HAS SOMEONE "WON" A WC SO SLOWLY. And the last Olympic win slower than that was 8:34.3 in 1960 (!!!), which Beamish barely beat.)
- Wightman (WC…four years ago) - the guy hasn't broken 3:31 in four years. Ran a 7:44 3000m in 2025, pretty slow but better than his Millrose 8:20 DFL against Hocker. You can't point to him as "strong competition" when he's irrelevant to the race half a lap back lol.
INJURED, SLOW, WASHED. (Or is that what you meant by “historical”?🤣)
I was talking with some Hocker fans in the thread "Cole Hocker is officially the #1 distance runner in the world right now" (hint: he isn't; Fisher and Kiplimo are better-ranked), and an interesting thing came up...
Hocker has not won a single 1500/mile race in over 18 months, in spite of being a guy who actually races a lot (good on him).
- After his brilliant 3:27.65 win in Paris 2024, he ran three Diamond League races, placing 2nd (3:29.85), 2nd (3:30), 3rd (3:30).
- In 2025, he raced 3 GST 1500s and never placed higher than 3rd (3:35, 3:34, 3:34 - times are not that important as these were about racing, but then again he wasn't winning these races or making them any faster).
- He then raced Pre and USATF, placing 4th at Pre (3:47) and 3rd at nationals (3:30).
It is hard to know what he would have done in the WC final if he hadn't been DQed in the semifinal. But in any case, no final and no win.
That is NINE 1500/mile races since Paris 2024 without a win (3 in 2024, 6 in 2025), and EIGHT RACES without breaking 3:30.
I don't want it to be over...and if it is there is always the 5000...with his 7:23 3000 and 12:58 WC win in 2025, I think he will rip a much faster 5000 than his 12:57 PB...
But...
Until proven otherwise, Cole Hocker's 1500m status is officially... "cooked."
I was talking with some Hocker fans in the thread "Cole Hocker is officially the #1 distance runner in the world right now" (hint: he isn't; Fisher and Kiplimo are better-ranked), and an interesting thing came up...
Hocker has not won a single 1500/mile race in over 18 months, in spite of being a guy who actually races a lot (good on him).
- After his brilliant 3:27.65 win in Paris 2024, he ran three Diamond League races, placing 2nd (3:29.85), 2nd (3:30), 3rd (3:30).
- In 2025, he raced 3 GST 1500s and never placed higher than 3rd (3:35, 3:34, 3:34 - times are not that important as these were about racing, but then again he wasn't winning these races or making them any faster).
- He then raced Pre and USATF, placing 4th at Pre (3:47) and 3rd at nationals (3:30).
It is hard to know what he would have done in the WC final if he hadn't been DQed in the semifinal. But in any case, no final and no win.
That is NINE 1500/mile races since Paris 2024 without a win (3 in 2024, 6 in 2025), and EIGHT RACES without breaking 3:30.
I don't want it to be over...and if it is there is always the 5000...with his 7:23 3000 and 12:58 WC win in 2025, I think he will rip a much faster 5000 than his 12:57 PB...
But...
Until proven otherwise, Cole Hocker's 1500m status is officially... "cooked."
Unfortunately you were correct. Let's hope he can turn it around come outdoors.
Someone asked what he needed to do to get uncooked.
I said this:
1. Win a race. ANY RACE.
2. Run a fast time.
3. Win a major race.
...
So far, he has covered 1 and 2. At one meet.
But he has ducked the most major indoor mile so far this season, Wannamaker at Millrose.
So we are still waiting on #3, a meaningful win (not beating up on fields that are by definition weak, running 5s behind him).
You can't be the man of the moment without winning any big races when they are going down all over the map. PERIOD.
Hey guys, how did the USATF championship 1500 go yesterday? Because I heard that Hocker is a "championship racer" who "wins when it matters" (even if he hasn't won a major national/international 1500 since August 2024).