We changed the title to make it accurate. It was initially titles, "Parker Valby calls out Letsrun Users Armstronglivs and Astro on TikTok". She didn't mention any posters by name.
It has been argued here that it is better than running.
Show me one post arguing that.
Go back and read some of the earlier threads. I debated this with some posters. I said if it is accepted that cross training was not as effective as running training her best 5k through running training would have been much faster than her pr achieved with arc training. Some posters disagreed, saying cross training could produce equally good results.
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Should have quoted this too; those were not minor offenses:
“In one case, an elite athlete who competed in Olympic qualifiers and international events admitted to using steroids and EPO. But they were permitted to continue competing until retirement. Their case was never published, results were never disqualified, prize money was never returned, and no suspension was served. The athlete was allowed to compete as if they had never cheated,” the statement continued.
You're still not making sense. It's silly to expect the same outcomes from totally different contexts.
Again, you misstate the issue. I was not arguing that Valby and Ingebrigtsen should have got exactly the same outcome from using arc training but that the outcomes are so disparate as undercut the claims being made here that arc training is at least as effective as conventional distance training if not better. Valby peaked with this training, with very little running training, whereas cross training only enabled Ingebrigtsen to arrive at his worst form in years - and he wasn't injured at the world's or he wouldn't have made the start line.
You're ignoring the contexts. You're harping on disparate outcomes without recognizing that they had disparate contexts which led to those outcomes. Wow, disparate contexts lead to disparate outcomes. Shocking!
Again, you misstate the issue. I was not arguing that Valby and Ingebrigtsen should have got exactly the same outcome from using arc training but that the outcomes are so disparate as undercut the claims being made here that arc training is at least as effective as conventional distance training if not better. Valby peaked with this training, with very little running training, whereas cross training only enabled Ingebrigtsen to arrive at his worst form in years - and he wasn't injured at the world's or he wouldn't have made the start line.
You're ignoring the contexts. You're harping on disparate outcomes without recognizing that they had disparate contexts which led to those outcomes. Wow, disparate contexts lead to disparate outcomes. Shocking!
What your wee brain can't get around is that the difference in their situations does not explain the extent of the difference in their outcomes. But you will never get it. If cross training was capable of producing the kind of results she achieved after years of using it, he should have done better than he did at the world's after employing that same training. Or conversely, after seeing how little it did for him at the world's it is too much of an ask to accept the training method was responsible for the huge improvements she made in her performances. So what is arc training - a secret weapon or a mere substitute for better training?
You're ignoring the contexts. You're harping on disparate outcomes without recognizing that they had disparate contexts which led to those outcomes. Wow, disparate contexts lead to disparate outcomes. Shocking!
What your wee brain can't get around is that the difference in their situations does not explain the extent of the difference in their outcomes. But you will never get it. If cross training was capable of producing the kind of results she achieved after years of using it, he should have done better than he did at the world's after employing that same training. Or conversely, after seeing how little it did for him at the world's it is too much of an ask to accept the training method was responsible for the huge improvements she made in her performances. So what is arc training - a secret weapon or a mere substitute for better training?
Of course the huge difference in their situations explains the difference in their outcomes. How could it not?
Valby's best results came after:
1. a full year of health in which she was able to combine running and cross-training 2. an active racing schedule
You're comparing her situation with someone who:
1. had a devastating injury which left him unable to do any running at all for a long period 2. hadn't raced in nearly 6 months
Are you for real? Please tell me you're trolling. I can't believe anyone would seriously expect their outcomes to be similar when their situations were so different.
Wow, there a some people here who really need to find a hobby. You know who you are.
As for Valby, there might be some thin skin there, but she’s totally right about this website. It is trash. I would imagine most pro runners think that about it. But, the owners make money off clicks, so it will always be this way.
The brojos went on a midnight ambush with a thread claiming a Valby drug ban was imminent. To my knowledge, those claims were baseless, no evidence was offered for the claims, and months later she has doubters spewing nonsense like this.
The brojos stoked the fire, and no real apology was offered. They just moved on to spreading uncertainty and doubt about some other athlete to drive up clicks.
The only reason I wouldn’t call it a betrayal is, who in their right mind would trust these clowns enough to be betrayed in the first place?
This isn't what happened.
Parker Valby deleted her instagram. She is one of the most popular American distance runners. People started speculating as to what was going on.
Some people started wondering/speculating/stating she had tested positive. People started making more declarative statements on and off of LetsRun.com.
We reached out to her team and her dad gave us a statement.
We have always said we let people speculate about doping. We don't want every thread to go that direction , but we think it leads to a cleaner sport. When I had a big breakthrough at 10,000m people on this website wondered if I was doping. I took it as a compliment. Comes with the territory.
Not sure I saw that article when it first came out, but....
“From time to time with Parker, she will just get away from social media,” Kyle said. “…She will do that before races and when it starts getting silly and stuff like that. I think it was a day or two that it was inactivated, but it’s back. It’s up and running. I don’t think there’s any method to the madness there.”
When she hired her dad as her agent, I hoped it would be a good thing, but does he know anything about public relations or social media marketing?
She should have started a finsta a long time ago and have an agent or other professional run her main accounts.
Also, regarding her "little injury," do we know how her training changed when she went to Boston?
Parker Valby deleted her instagram. She is one of the most popular American distance runners. People started speculating as to what was going on.
Some people started wondering/speculating/stating she had tested positive. People started making more declarative statements on and off of LetsRun.com.
We reached out to her team and her dad gave us a statement.
We have always said we let people speculate about doping. We don't want every thread to go that direction , but we think it leads to a cleaner sport. When I had a big breakthrough at 10,000m people on this website wondered if I was doping. I took it as a compliment. Comes with the territory.
Not sure I saw that article when it first came out, but....
“From time to time with Parker, she will just get away from social media,” Kyle said. “…She will do that before races and when it starts getting silly and stuff like that. I think it was a day or two that it was inactivated, but it’s back. It’s up and running. I don’t think there’s any method to the madness there.”
When she hired her dad as her agent, I hoped it would be a good thing, but does he know anything about public relations or social media marketing?
She should have started a finsta a long time ago and have an agent or other professional run her main accounts.
Also, regarding her "little injury," do we know how her training changed when she went to Boston?
She has said in interviews before that she deletes her social media apps from her phone at times to get away from it. That’s was the first thing I thought of when her IG went down. Imagine the DMs she gets (or any high profile female). I think she’d be better served to just ignore all of it…don’t even look at social media comments, DMs or read this site, and focus on what she can control. I think the mental part of being a high profile college athlete/pro athlete has been more challenging for her than it is for most, and she’ll need to learn to manage that. Maybe a sports psychologist could help with that.
What your wee brain can't get around is that the difference in their situations does not explain the extent of the difference in their outcomes. But you will never get it. If cross training was capable of producing the kind of results she achieved after years of using it, he should have done better than he did at the world's after employing that same training. Or conversely, after seeing how little it did for him at the world's it is too much of an ask to accept the training method was responsible for the huge improvements she made in her performances. So what is arc training - a secret weapon or a mere substitute for better training?
Until last year you didn't even know what cross training was. You said cross training was running on a treadmill. You had never heard of the arc trainer.
And yet, your wee brain now thinks you are some sort of expert.
Of course she put it as number 1. People are weirdos and creepily obsessed with her here and there’s wayyyy too many disgusting men on these MBs who think it’s acceptable for them to comment on her body and looks when they look like a gremlin from the sewer themselves. Of course she feels betrayed when every other post about her is about a “silent ban” that no one can actually confirm. Of course she feels betrayed when people on this webpage use it as a means to smear her name and spread rumors and say that she shouldn’t be sponsored or New Balance should let her go. Or that her leaving Boston ruined the entire training group and she’s selfish. The comments made are abysmal at best. Of course she’s not feeling it here. Not even sure why you’re asking the question of “why does she feel this way”. It’s a given. Look up any post about her - the amount of haters is so weird. Any human decency or respect seems to be lost when it comes to this MB discussing her.
U make some good points but if you think a good looking athlete doesnt want people (men) getting her clicks and thinking she's the bees knees, you are not up to date on monetization/the internet/social media etc... Gals that are great runners and don't look like her don't make bank. She is all for it. Next you will tell me Livvy doesn't want any attention?
Not sure I saw that article when it first came out, but....
When she hired her dad as her agent, I hoped it would be a good thing, but does he know anything about public relations or social media marketing?
She should have started a finsta a long time ago and have an agent or other professional run her main accounts.
Also, regarding her "little injury," do we know how her training changed when she went to Boston?
She has said in interviews before that she deletes her social media apps from her phone at times to get away from it. That’s was the first thing I thought of when her IG went down. Imagine the DMs she gets (or any high profile female). I think she’d be better served to just ignore all of it…don’t even look at social media comments, DMs or read this site, and focus on what she can control. I think the mental part of being a high profile college athlete/pro athlete has been more challenging for her than it is for most, and she’ll need to learn to manage that. Maybe a sports psychologist could help with that.
Of course that's why and is a completely valid reason to take a break from social media. But as a professional athlete with a following, it's bad PR. Just look at the speculations here. That's why someone else needs to run her public account and she can have a separate private one to use with people she actually knows and/or just be off social media when she wants without it affecting her public image.
What your wee brain can't get around is that the difference in their situations does not explain the extent of the difference in their outcomes. But you will never get it. If cross training was capable of producing the kind of results she achieved after years of using it, he should have done better than he did at the world's after employing that same training. Or conversely, after seeing how little it did for him at the world's it is too much of an ask to accept the training method was responsible for the huge improvements she made in her performances. So what is arc training - a secret weapon or a mere substitute for better training?
Of course the huge difference in their situations explains the difference in their outcomes. How could it not?
Valby's best results came after:
1. a full year of health in which she was able to combine running and cross-training 2. an active racing schedule
You're comparing her situation with someone who:
1. had a devastating injury which left him unable to do any running at all for a long period 2. hadn't raced in nearly 6 months
Are you for real? Please tell me you're trolling. I can't believe anyone would seriously expect their outcomes to be similar when their situations were so different.
Your argument is a complete waste of my time. If cross training didn't determine the degree of success - or lack of it - these two runners enjoyed then it had NO SIGNIFICANT EFFECT at all - it was irrelevant to their performances. Yet most here would understand that training (of any kind) is a crucial factor to success. Since you have effectively said training has nothing to do with either success or failure in respect of these two athletes then we must turn to the alternative that athletes may employ to achieve success, which is drugs. Your cloddish arguments ensure you have shot yourself in the foot.
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What your wee brain can't get around is that the difference in their situations does not explain the extent of the difference in their outcomes. But you will never get it. If cross training was capable of producing the kind of results she achieved after years of using it, he should have done better than he did at the world's after employing that same training. Or conversely, after seeing how little it did for him at the world's it is too much of an ask to accept the training method was responsible for the huge improvements she made in her performances. So what is arc training - a secret weapon or a mere substitute for better training?
Until last year you didn't even know what cross training was. You said cross training was running on a treadmill. You had never heard of the arc trainer.
And yet, your wee brain now thinks you are some sort of expert.
Wow, I started this thread 3 days ago and just checking back now I see its now 10 pages, mostly posts by Armstronglics. SO predictable!
Not a fan of how mods changed my title though. It was accurate as is.
Valby never claimed what you said. Your title was simply your own opinion in which you presumed to speak for her. That's what obsessed fans will do. Lie.
Of course the huge difference in their situations explains the difference in their outcomes. How could it not?
Valby's best results came after:
1. a full year of health in which she was able to combine running and cross-training 2. an active racing schedule
You're comparing her situation with someone who:
1. had a devastating injury which left him unable to do any running at all for a long period 2. hadn't raced in nearly 6 months
Are you for real? Please tell me you're trolling. I can't believe anyone would seriously expect their outcomes to be similar when their situations were so different.
Your argument is a complete waste of my time. If cross training didn't determine the degree of success - or lack of it - these two runners enjoyed then it had NO SIGNIFICANT EFFECT at all - it was irrelevant to their performances. Yet most here would understand that training (of any kind) is a crucial factor to success. Since you have effectively said training has nothing to do with either success or failure in respect of these two athletes then we must turn to the alternative that athletes may employ to achieve success, which is drugs. Your cloddish arguments ensure you have shot yourself in the foot.
You continue to lack logic and sense.
Most people here understand that similar results can't be expected from two very different situations. Somehow you lack that very basic understanding.
Of course the huge difference in their situations explains the difference in their outcomes. How could it not?
Valby's best results came after:
1. a full year of health in which she was able to combine running and cross-training 2. an active racing schedule
You're comparing her situation with someone who:
1. had a devastating injury which left him unable to do any running at all for a long period 2. hadn't raced in nearly 6 months
Are you for real? Please tell me you're trolling. I can't believe anyone would seriously expect their outcomes to be similar when their situations were so different.
Your argument is a complete waste of my time. If cross training didn't determine the degree of success - or lack of it - these two runners enjoyed then it had NO SIGNIFICANT EFFECT at all - it was irrelevant to their performances. Yet most here would understand that training (of any kind) is a crucial factor to success. Since you have effectively said training has nothing to do with either success or failure in respect of these two athletes then we must turn to the alternative that athletes may employ to achieve success, which is drugs. Your cloddish arguments ensure you have shot yourself in the foot.
This might be the single dumbest post I've ever seen someone make on this board. It's a good thing you quit your legal career before it started. You'd be laughed out of every courtroom with arguments like this.