Try to add 4-5 months to February. The Bowerman Mile last year was in the end May.
So he had less than 4 months of normal training before his first race where he ran a mile time equal to high 3:28 in the 1500m.
His "RUSTBUSTER" mile this year equals a low 3:28 in the 1500m.
Chill dawg….i thought it was in June. Should’ve just looked it up but the point is he was in a much better position then than he is now. And in his 3:45 indoor mile opener, he had been training since late September so no surprise he was ready to “rip” that one.
He started getting back to his full training July 14th via instagram. It hasn’t even been a full month! I’m not saying he can’t run sub 3:30 but I’m not sure if he’s ready to win a diamond league off of one month of specific training.
See my post # 174 above.
You (and many others) seem to think all his training from September last year has been wiped out because he has been doing alternative AEROBIC training for some months. That is in my opinion fundamentally wrong.
Are you a runner yourself? And have you been doing alternative training in injury breaks?
I was an elite veteran runner and have been through the process several times. Some times it appeared that a break from the hard training was an advantage.
We're all just reading tea leaves, but I think there's only a small chance he's in race shape for worlds.
Here's my best guess.
He got injured back in the spring, shut it down for a while, then came back with pool running and whatever anti-gravity machines they use. His aerobic fitness was kept reasonably strong. By July, he was pain free and optimistic: normal service has resumed.
This gave him plenty of time to do the last few diamond leagues on the way to Tokyo. But then he started feeling it in his achilles again. Remember at the very beginning, he said if the injury had popped up closer to worlds, he would've just pushed through? That's where we are now. But this is trickier in practice than in theory. It's a very delicate balance between getting back his speed and reinjuring himself. Not impossible, but I just don't see him getting there.
On another note, I think if he does show up at Tokyo, he will run the 1500. That's all he cares about. Watch him win gold at the 5000; he looks like his team just won a pickup basketball game--polite handshakes, modest smiles.
Again, what do I know. But I don't think he's sandbagging (there's no sense in that) and I don't think he's actually shut it down and is only pretending for sponsors (he has generally been fairly honest in the past.) I hope I'm wrong, and he shows up full of run. Races are better (and faster) with Jakob on the track.
Chill dawg….i thought it was in June. Should’ve just looked it up but the point is he was in a much better position then than he is now. And in his 3:45 indoor mile opener, he had been training since late September so no surprise he was ready to “rip” that one.
He started getting back to his full training July 14th via instagram. It hasn’t even been a full month! I’m not saying he can’t run sub 3:30 but I’m not sure if he’s ready to win a diamond league off of one month of specific training.
See my post # 174 above.
You (and many others) seem to think all his training from September last year has been wiped out because he has been doing alternative AEROBIC training for some months. That is in my opinion fundamentally wrong.
Are you a runner yourself? And have you been doing alternative training in injury breaks?
I was an elite veteran runner and have been through the process several times. Some times it appeared that a break from the hard training was an advantage.
We're all just reading tea leaves, but I think there's only a small chance he's in race shape for worlds.
Here's my best guess.
He got injured back in the spring, shut it down for a while, then came back with pool running and whatever anti-gravity machines they use. His aerobic fitness was kept reasonably strong. By July, he was pain free and optimistic: normal service has resumed.
This gave him plenty of time to do the last few diamond leagues on the way to Tokyo. But then he started feeling it in his achilles again. Remember at the very beginning, he said if the injury had popped up closer to worlds, he would've just pushed through? That's where we are now. But this is trickier in practice than in theory. It's a very delicate balance between getting back his speed and reinjuring himself. Not impossible, but I just don't see him getting there.
On another note, I think if he does show up at Tokyo, he will run the 1500. That's all he cares about. Watch him win gold at the 5000; he looks like his team just won a pickup basketball game--polite handshakes, modest smiles.
Again, what do I know. But I don't think he's sandbagging (there's no sense in that) and I don't think he's actually shut it down and is only pretending for sponsors (he has generally been fairly honest in the past.) I hope I'm wrong, and he shows up full of run. Races are better (and faster) with Jakob on the track.
Clearly the sandbaggrs theory is nonensical. At this level you don’t sandbag like that. You throw hi fis and swing your arms to rev up the crowd in a show or dominance because jogging across the line. That’s true sandbagging with swag.
The other thing and people still haven’t realised yet but the suss weapons theory is clearly one to be respected on this thread. Jakob has had 3 months to rest up and cross train in the comfort of his home, around family and his dogs, no stress, stress free and yet his tendons are still not repairing well? come on are you guys wacked? The writing is on the wall here, more than meets the eye roger that. It looks like a clear sabotage by a pretty suss weapon. Pls excuse me.
You (and many others) seem to think all his training from September last year has been wiped out because he has been doing alternative AEROBIC training for some months. That is in my opinion fundamentally wrong.
Are you a runner yourself? And have you been doing alternative training in injury breaks?
I was an elite veteran runner and have been through the process several times. Some times it appeared that a break from the hard training was an advantage.
An injury isn't an advantage.
An injury that takes forever to heal is clearly a sabotage from the outside.
An injury that was thought to be healed but later then discovered to be still injured is one hell of a mental sleight of hand. It’s the physical equivalent of Jakob zero by double. Now it’s here and suddenly it’s there, so where is it? A guy whose mind can’t even accurately detect when his tendon is all systems go and keeps calling his own bluff repeatedly can only be hypnothized to do so by pretty suss neuroweapons.
An injury that takes forever to heal is clearly a sabotage from the outside.
An injury that was thought to be healed but later then discovered to be still injured is one hell of a mental sleight of hand. It’s the physical equivalent of Jakob zero by double. Now it’s here and suddenly it’s there, so where is it? A guy whose mind can’t even accurately detect when his tendon is all systems go and keeps calling his own bluff repeatedly can only be hypnothized to do so by pretty suss neuroweapons.
It was perhaps a mistake for Jakob to race XC and all those Indoor races this year. They knew he struggled with Achilles issues last year and that it is a stubborn injury.
having his brother Henrik as his agent, as of this year, is probably not great for managing Jakob’s racing career.
You (and many others) seem to think all his training from September last year has been wiped out because he has been doing alternative AEROBIC training for some months. That is in my opinion fundamentally wrong.
Are you a runner yourself? And have you been doing alternative training in injury breaks?
I was an elite veteran runner and have been through the process several times. Some times it appeared that a break from the hard training was an advantage.
An injury isn't an advantage.
This. Ask Cole Hocker if he felt he had an advantage cross training a couple months in the spring going into Budapest. He is talented enough where he can get away with making the final and finishing top 6 but needed a full year of uninterrupted training to be in gold medal or medal contention which he was able to do in 2024.
This. Ask Cole Hocker if he felt he had an advantage cross training a couple months in the spring going into Budapest. He is talented enough where he can get away with making the final and finishing top 6 but needed a full year of uninterrupted training to be in gold medal or medal contention which he was able to do in 2024.
The reason the Americans have not been active on the DL circuit this year is that they have to peak to perfection for USAs in order to make the team (and they were busy with GST, which was a bust). Do you think it would have been wise for Hocker, Nuguse and Kessler to fly to London 2 weeks before USAs to run a 1500? Meanwhile, Strand and Koech are sitting back in the US training and waiting. Hocker barely made the team as is and the Brits) to have to run nationals to qualify. They cannot rest on their laurels or they won’t go to Tokyo.
Contrast that to Jakob. He doesn’t have the bye to worlds in the 1500 (but he does in the 5K), but he does have the qualifying time from late last year, so we doesn’t have to race at all before Worlds. If he was American, he would have had to run the trials while injured to try and make the team. Or just settle for the 5K.
The American system, while exciting for the fans, is a disadvantage for the athletes because they have to peak twice (especially in events as competitive as the mens’ 800, 1500 and 5k)
would you suggest getting rid of the trials, or going to the brit system where they choose 2 from the trials, and give away 1 spot?
as hard as it is on the athletes, right now we are just too good to give spots away without earning them.
The thinking was that the UK system would be too controversial or result in litigation hence the first 3 system
An injury that takes forever to heal is clearly a sabotage from the outside.
An injury that was thought to be healed but later then discovered to be still injured is one hell of a mental sleight of hand. It’s the physical equivalent of Jakob zero by double. Now it’s here and suddenly it’s there, so where is it? A guy whose mind can’t even accurately detect when his tendon is all systems go and keeps calling his own bluff repeatedly can only be hypnothized to do so by pretty suss neuroweapons.
Most athletes retire because of injuries that never fully heal. That isnt sabotage. It is the price of being human. You'll realise that as you get older.
We're all just reading tea leaves, but I think there's only a small chance he's in race shape for worlds.
Here's my best guess.
He got injured back in the spring, shut it down for a while, then came back with pool running and whatever anti-gravity machines they use. His aerobic fitness was kept reasonably strong. By July, he was pain free and optimistic: normal service has resumed.
This gave him plenty of time to do the last few diamond leagues on the way to Tokyo. But then he started feeling it in his achilles again. Remember at the very beginning, he said if the injury had popped up closer to worlds, he would've just pushed through? That's where we are now. But this is trickier in practice than in theory. It's a very delicate balance between getting back his speed and reinjuring himself. Not impossible, but I just don't see him getting there.
On another note, I think if he does show up at Tokyo, he will run the 1500. That's all he cares about. Watch him win gold at the 5000; he looks like his team just won a pickup basketball game--polite handshakes, modest smiles.
Again, what do I know. But I don't think he's sandbagging (there's no sense in that) and I don't think he's actually shut it down and is only pretending for sponsors (he has generally been fairly honest in the past.) I hope I'm wrong, and he shows up full of run. Races are better (and faster) with Jakob on the track.
If you think that Jakob "shut it down for a while, then came back with pool running...." you know NOTHING about his mentality and his consequential training.
Jakob NEVER " SHUT IT DOWN FOR A WHILE" unless he is unable to train due to serious illness or injury. Unless it is after the season where he reportedly take a short rest (1 week?) before starting base training.
My qualified guess is that he was in alternative training from the very beginning of his RUNNING training break. I´m certain he could at least do aqua jogging despite his achilles injury.
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And since he probably has had no break in his aerobic training he will be fine in Tokyo, provided he can run with no disturbance from his injury.