Allie O DNS in Final

"Do you have a coach?"

"Yes. He spends hours a day arguing with random people on the internet...while also knowing he's a self absorbed narcissist who needs to stop arguing with random people on the internet."

This is 100% Roche. Predicted this from day one - this is what happens to Roche's athletes (hi, former swap athlete here). I think Allie has some soul searching to do but the lack of focus, the overtraining, is straight out of the Roche playbook. She needs to get rid of him before it gets worse.

Blame the "new" coach for her running the exact same times she has run for 8 consecutive years? She hasn't regressed. She is extremely consistent both pre-Roach and now.

Allie won the

2017 NCAA Championship steeple in time of 9:41.

2018 NCAA Championship 9:39.

2019 NCAA Championship 9:37

2025 USATF qualies ran a time of 9:40.

So in finals over the past 8 years has run right around 9:39 and in qualies at USATF ran 9:40. No regression at all. Extremely consistent with or without Roach input. BTW Hallyday-Lowry ran 9:39 qualies and 9:09 finals. Ostrander is like a swiss time piece over the last 8 years but the competition/talent has left her behind.

PS Allie ran 9:35 at Stumptown just a couple weeks before USATF but ran a time trial as only 3 competitors who both were well over 10min. Put her in a little traffic and she probably would have run 9:40ish there too.

PSS Allie ran 9:38 in the 2024 USATF Finals last year. hahaha. Roche getting the blame for a false regression is hilarious.

She would probably improve using better training with an actual team, but she doesn't have the ability to compete for world positions at this point.

she probably subconsicously knows she isn't good enough, and the bouncing around is a distraction. Not just for her, but her fans and sponsors. She continues to make money as a professional runner. That's probably as good as it's gonna get here.

Don't forget what she ran last year at the Olympic Trials finals i.e a PR (9:21)! But I 100% think her current coach is VERY bad for her. She needs to get a new coach (perhaps same as Spencer currently who also coach Phily Bowden i.e. John Green). She also needs to focus on one thing as doing trail races and track is just not feasible.

John Green also coaches Rory Linkletter, who I think has better credentials than Phily “I’m a pro runner” Bowden.

Her and her fiance battle injuries every year, sometimes multiple times a year. Unless something changes, they will get injured again. Training will be interrupted, the poor performances when it really counts will continue.

Maybe they are training closer to their limits than they would like to admit, or they are really fragile, I don't know.

World positions? She doesn't have the ability to place top 5 amongst the USA steeplers. Top 10 would be a stretch. And that is why she didn't show up for final. She is not good at accepting not being competitive any longer and she has to have an excuse. And tears, always tears.

Shocker, knives come out on letsrun after a tough performance. Everyone needs to drink some settle down juice.

I wouldn't bet money that Allie O could become nationally competitive in the steeplechase, say sub-9:10, but I wouldn't bet against it either. She ran 9:21 last year after years of battling an eating disorder and related injuries. With a long period of good health, which she didn't have this year, it's not crazy to think she could make a leap.

As a coach, Roche is known for lower mileage, working on speed and a lot of cross training. That sounds perfect for her given her history. It's unfair to point at him for the recent stress fracture with how bad that history is on her body. Her body has also changed and she is still probably getting used to it, both for performance and injuries.

Hopefully she can get a year of uninterrupted training and see what she can do. If it's not good enough, maybe she moves to trails.

In his defense, this is a proven way to earn some people immense support and riches beyond the wildest expectations of the average coach.

I guess the “while also knowing” could be the kicker.

Man this is definitely not the guy you want as your uber driver or making your quarter pounder. I’m guessing this guy beat his meat to this video of alley he is giving pedo vibes

So she makes a new video talking about how she’s been overtraining and pushing herself too hard in short periods of time to try and reach these goals she set, and her and her coach have set up a new plan to fix this. The video then starts with her doing a zone 4 run in the heat where she says the hills were a struggle because she hasn’t done any recently……….after gets an ice pop as a “treat”, and then says she has a 5k race in 6 weeks. So frustrating to watch, the cycle continues.

You right wingers are so dumb and so bad at math, statistics, and logical thinking.

she did run 9:21 last year and 9:26 in 2021.

Agreed that she is not making any more teams on the track, but you are stupid.