A lot of the feminists had noble intentions, which is to say, they wanted more choices. But the feminists were never in charge and it wasn’t long before fewer and fewer women felt like they had a choice but to work and have a two income household. That is why more and more people are finally figuring out the con and giving up substantial monetary wealth in order to behave more “traditionally.”
You mean, like the feminists have never been charge of this transgender issues? They are forced to pick their poison between rightwing Christian nationalist groups controlled by cis men and leftwing LGBTQ activist groups also controlled by cis men. Both sides are only interested in advancing their ideological agenda, and not the best interests of women.
I wonder how this issue would be handled if AIAW still existed today and controlled women's collegiate sports. Whatever decision they come up with would be theirs and theirs alone. And I assume there would be less bitterness on the losing side.
No. The feminists were never in charge of feminism. Even that was either originally, or soon after conception hijacked by folks for financial and political gain. It’s a bit like environmentalism in that way. You didn’t gather that from the other posts?
And the lady is right. The term ‘cis’ is really stupid. I’d call it “retarded” but to adapt a line from a funny film: that would be an insult to retarded people.
I pity the fool that views life as a struggle between men and women for (mainly for the illusory ‘independence’ afforded by similarly illusory fiat currency) rather than a deeply important symbiotic partnership upon which all civilizations rest.
Do you really think that the only folks who oppose the use of mass media, grooming, and pornography to alienate and confuse people, while simultaneously disrupting their bodies with poisonous food and environmental toxins, only to profit from drugging then and butchering their sex organs are Nationalist Christians?
Do you really think that the only folks who oppose the use of mass media, grooming, and pornography to alienate and confuse people, while simultaneously disrupting their bodies with poisonous food and environmental toxins, only to profit from drugging then and butchering their sex organs are Nationalist Christians?
Any person who uses language like to discuss trans issues is either a Christian Nationalist or has been coopted by Christian Nationalists.
Not only is the world more complicated that Donald's two-gender fantasy (obviously), but the world is more complicated that two sexes.
Re. chromosomes alone, we have:
XX XY XXY XYY X XXX XXXY XXXX
Differentiation of genitalia has more variations still.
Not that Donald or his acolytes have a living clue about any of this.
Just because there are more than two sex chromsome patterns/combos - karyotypes - doesn't mean there are more than two sexes.
All human karyotypes in your list are either male or female:
XX - standard female, more than 99% of girls & women are 46,XX XY - standard male, more than 99% of boys & men are 46,XY XXY - male with Klinefelter syndrome XYY -male with Jacob syndrome X - female with Turner syndrome, estimated to occur in 1-3% of human conceptions XXX - female trisomy or Triple X; 1 out of every 1,000 girls & women are 47,XXX XXXY -male XXXY syndrome, similar to Klinefelter XXXX - female, tetrasomy X
No matter what kind of sex chromosomes individuals have, there are only two kinds of gametes - eggs and sperm - which are made by the two kinds of gonads, ovaries and testes.
Some people never are able make eggs or sperm, and a tiny number humans have a very rare DSD resulting in two kinds of gonadal tissue. But no one in the human species has ever been able to make both eggs and sperm. And no one makes gametes other than sperm and eggs - coz there aren't any.
No one disagrees that there are only two gametes, but that doesn’t automatically suggest a procedure to identify a binary classification scheme because that procedure needs a discriminator to be defined in cases where the body produces neither but has tissue to potentially produce either.
Unrelated, even when there is a single type of tissue, your mapping from some karyotypes to sex is your definition, not a universally held opinion by experts studying sexual biology, and far from implied by Trump’s barely sensible order.
"it reminds me of people escaping from concentration camps..." It is just like that. Can't believe I didn't think of it.
We may be well on our way to experiencing concentration camps again
Closest thing in 60 years were the quarantine camps the dems wanted so badly — and got in Australia and New Zealand. The more aligned with that thinly veiled global party countries were, the fewer civil rights they acknowledged and the less they respected bodily autonomy.
Remember, nobody is saying folks can’t wear costumes of their choosing or think of themselves any which way. The difference is that now such things won’t be promoted, at great cost, by the government. A drop in the bucket when it comes to reversing overreach, but every little bit helps.
I admit that the Ellison and Altman stuff looks very bad. We’ll see what happens with that.
Do you really think that the only folks who oppose the use of mass media, grooming, and pornography to alienate and confuse people, while simultaneously disrupting their bodies with poisonous food and environmental toxins, only to profit from drugging then and butchering their sex organs are Nationalist Christians?
Any person who uses language like to discuss trans issues is either a Christian Nationalist or has been coopted by Christian Nationalists.
Thanks for revealing your true identity.
Funny for someone committed to tearing down false, but practicable dichotomies on the one hand, to be so committed to generating totally baseless ones on the other.
Every person should have his or her own gender. Like a personal gender. Then it can truly be something meaningless and useless and folks will stop being silly.
The real problem is that gender stuff isn’t just choices about clothing and makeup consumption — or a punch card system run by plastic surgeons and psychiatrists. Gender is a language rooted in history, with implications for everything from daily manners to courtship rituals, to roles within workplaces, homes etc… And those complex signals aren’t based on nothing. They’re based on sex. So you can’t divorce the two and still have the language function.
Most folks may not realize it, but the reason there is such a strong objection to wrecking an old and complex language is that it provides value. And anyway nobody who wants to subvert it or otherwise throw it out has proposed a better system. I’m not even sure one can be devised. These aren’t things devised overnight. And the “progress” of the last century and a half was destructive enough. Folks need some time to evaluate the consequences of that before launching quickly into further stranger cultural experiments.
People might very well live their lives in peace so long as they respect the right of others to adhere to the languages developed over the course of untold centuries. The issue has never been with the tiny percentage of confused men who wear dresses. That’s harmless enough. The issue is with people who insist that others regard them as something other than men wearing dresses.
I think you should take some time to study the history of the “strange” behaviors that occurred prior to 150 years ago.
forced marriage, impregnating 12-year-olds, inbreeding, polygamy, infanticide, raping and pillaging, beheading, witch burning/hangings, etc.
Much of that still happens. And there is far more abortion now than there ever was infantacude. Polygamy was replaced with polyamory — all of the “fun” and none of the responsibility. Precious few witch burnings, though I’m not sure folks calling themselves witches are up to anything lovely or in need of encouragement.
Difference now is that ‘independent’ men and women are traumatized because they have precious few parental role models, and proceed to reproduce those issues through a range of destructive behaviors.
Is the expectation to marry, and even to marry young, worse than the expectation to ingest pregnancy hormones for decades on that you can sleep around until you finally get tired of it and marry someone for a couple of years — long enough to have children, but not long enough to raise them?
And what of the children? Brainwashed to hate and resent their parents by mass media while their grandparents rot in home for want of something to do.
And that’s how social engineering destroyed the very fabric of society — through valuing independence over interdependence and putting hedonistic perverts in powerful positions (often by blackmailing them, apparently.)
You know what I think is funny? Often times when a pro-trans person is asked "What is a woman?", their response is rebutted because it is defined in terms of itself, such as the simple response "A woman is anyone who identifies as a woman."
And then here comes Trump. When he is asked "What is a woman?", he defines it as such:
“Sex” shall refer to an individual’s immutable biological classification as either male or female."
And what is male or female?
“Male” means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the small reproductive cell." "Female” means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the large reproductive cell."
Lets see. Sex is determined by if you are male or female. Whether or not you are male or female is determined by your sex. This is defined in terms of itself just as much as the definition stated at the top of my message.
Sounds pretty hypocritical if you ask me.
btw the quotes are directly from his eo, it has been posted here before but here it is again.
Not only is the world more complicated that Donald's two-gender fantasy (obviously), but the world is more complicated that two sexes.
Re. chromosomes alone, we have:
XX XY XXY XYY X XXX XXXY XXXX
Differentiation of genitalia has more variations still.
Not that Donald or his acolytes have a living clue about any of this.
Just because there are more than two sex chromsome patterns/combos - karyotypes - doesn't mean there are more than two sexes.
All the karyotypes in your list are either male or female:
XX - standard female, more than 99% of girls & women are 46,XX XY - standard male, more than 99% of boys & men are 46,XY XXY - male with Klinefelter syndrome XYY -male with Jacob syndrome X - female with Turner syndrome, estimated to occur in 1-3% of human conceptions XXX - female trisomy or Triple X; 1 out of every 1,000 girls & women are 47,XXX XXXY -male XXXY syndrome, similar to Klinefelter XXXX - female, tetrasomy X
No matter what kind of sex chromosomes individuals have, there are only two kinds of gametes - eggs and sperm - which are made by the two kinds of gonads, ovaries and testes.
Some people never are able make eggs or sperm, and a tiny number humans have a very rare DSD resulting in two kinds of gonadal tissue. But no one in the human species has ever been able to make both eggs and sperm. And no one makes gametes other than sperm and eggs - coz there aren't any.
Funny that you literally agree that some people can't be classified into a binary: "Some people never are able make eggs or sperm, and a tiny number humans have a very rare DSD resulting in two kinds of gonadal tissue."
OK, RunRagged, tell us more.
In your system, is anybody with a Y chromosome a man? And anybody without one is a woman?
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TQs are partly responsible for losing the election
Removing all the "gender identity" nonsense might end up being the one (singular) worthwhile thing he does during his entire second term.
It's a shame that a movement based on sexual attraction (LGB) has fallen victim to a hostile takeover by people who struggle with reality (TQ), who also have no reservations when it comes to throwing (I) under the bus by claiming they're the same for the sake of validation. And why on earth do asexuals (A) even need to be involved?
Your physical sex is the only thing that matters. There are two sexes, male and female. Anomalies occur at a rate of 180 per million and are generally referred to as differences in sex development (DSD). For these individuals there can be ambiguity in the presentation of sex characteristics. For the remaining 999 820 per million on average there is no ambiguity, and no matter how much you might want it, sex change is not possible. And no matter how strongly you disagree, nothing in this post is hate speech.
The comments you’re referring to were regarding using UV light to kill virus either through the skin or from inside out, say from within the trachea. That was being studied at the time. The truth is obvious to anyone who actually watched the press conference. Same crap as the “many good people” hoax, only that was something taken out of context to warp its meaning, and this was simply fabricated.
They’re free to carry on as they wish and make the claims they make. They just can’t make other people pay for it, make it official government policy to tell everyone what they’re doing, or to make boxes of their choosing on federal forms “free response.”
You should see the stuff I want to put on government documents, but am prohibited from doing so. If you ever filed your own tax return you might know what I mean.
Removing all the "gender identity" nonsense might end up being the one (singular) worthwhile thing he does during his entire second term.
It's a shame that a movement based on sexual attraction (LGB) has fallen victim to a hostile takeover by people who struggle with reality (TQ), who also have no reservations when it comes to throwing (I) under the bus by claiming they're the same for the sake of validation. And why on earth do asexuals (A) even need to be involved?
Your physical sex is the only thing that matters. There are two sexes, male and female. Anomalies occur at a rate of 180 per million and are generally referred to as differences in sex development (DSD). For these individuals there can be ambiguity in the presentation of sex characteristics. For the remaining 999 820 per million on average there is no ambiguity, and no matter how much you might want it, sex change is not possible. And no matter how strongly you disagree, nothing in this post is hate speech.
Finally, some common sense. Yes to all of this. I didn't vote for Trump, but I agree with this. Enough of these gender discussions. We're all sick of it. Many kids were harmed because of this craziness. I can't believe the crap they were told at school. Back to science and let's never discuss these stupid pronouns ever again!
What about intersex people? They are neither male or female by birth, not by choice. Is Trump saying they don't exist?
The text of the EO defines male and female in such a way that intersex people would be covered: whichever gamete your body is made to produce, as determined at conception. Intersexed people produce one or the other.
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(d) “Female” means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the large reproductive cell. (e) “Male” means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the small reproductive cell.
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I produce the large reproductive cell, have internal ovaries, and XX chromosomes. So I'm definitely female according to Trump's diktat.
Except that I also have a penis and my birth certificate says "male".
Intersex people are caught in the crossfire of a major cultural war. Long a vital element in the case for someone else’s truth, we are also tasked with defending our own. Intersex people are human beings too and deserve dignified lives beyond just proving bigotry wrong.
We may be well on our way to experiencing concentration camps again
Closest thing in 60 years were the quarantine camps the dems wanted so badly — and got in Australia and New Zealand. The more aligned with that thinly veiled global party countries were, the fewer civil rights they acknowledged and the less they respected bodily autonomy.
Remember, nobody is saying folks can’t wear costumes of their choosing or think of themselves any which way. The difference is that now such things won’t be promoted, at great cost, by the government. A drop in the bucket when it comes to reversing overreach, but every little bit helps.
I admit that the Ellison and Altman stuff looks very bad. We’ll see what happens with that.
You blather on. Requiring arrivals into the country to test negative for Covid before they were allowed to enter NZ were not "concentration camps". BS from the right.
The comments you’re referring to were regarding using UV light to kill virus either through the skin or from inside out, say from within the trachea. That was being studied at the time. The truth is obvious to anyone who actually watched the press conference. Same crap as the “many good people” hoax, only that was something taken out of context to warp its meaning, and this was simply fabricated.
You're a liar. Among with millions of others I saw the press conference where he advocated injecting disinfectant or exposing certain parts of the anatomy to sunlight (and embarrassed the crap out of his medical advisers).
Women have always worked it's just their work making the home, cooking and rearing children was entirely unpaid. This allowed men the time and resources to build financial independence that was denied to women.
The feminist movement was about providing independence to women through paid work, not because feminists wanted women to be sat in factories.
No. It was about putting children in government institutions, and expanding the paid workforce.
The byproduct was financial independence for women, which I’m sure is useful in many situations, but also makes them wage slaves to bosses for the sake of making money rather than partners with husbands for the sake of making a family. And don’t forget a lot of it was done during “great resets” called “world wars” where most men were conscripted under conditions of heavy propaganda, and economies became even more planned than they are today.
A lot of the feminists had noble intentions, which is to say, they wanted more choices. But the feminists were never in charge and it wasn’t long before fewer and fewer women felt like they had a choice but to work and have a two income household. That is why more and more people are finally figuring out the con and giving up substantial monetary wealth in order to behave more “traditionally.”
I can see you really do believe all those lies you tell yourself. But no one else does. You're just an old fashioned right winger posing as an intellectual.
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Do you really think that the only folks who oppose the use of mass media, grooming, and pornography to alienate and confuse people, while simultaneously disrupting their bodies with poisonous food and environmental toxins, only to profit from drugging then and butchering their sex organs are Nationalist Christians?
Any person who uses language like to discuss trans issues is either a Christian Nationalist or has been coopted by Christian Nationalists.
Thanks for revealing your true identity.
Do you understand that you lost the election in large part because of your gender nonsense? The American people sent you a message...
