It’s actually highly unlikely that you have XX, but there is one way to know for sure. That way you don’t have to deal in theoreticals. You could just be slow.
How do you explain the fact that I have just about every symptom? From statistics I found online, if I don't have XX then the combination of my birth defects would leave me at about 1/100,000,000. And those are just the defects that are symptoms of De La Chapelles. If we tally up the odds for all of my birth defects it leaves me at 1/5,000,000,000,000 (this value includes all my physical deformations as well as ADHD and autism). Yes, 1 in 5 trillion. The odds of me having De La Chapelles is 1/20,000. Which means that it is extremely likely that I have XX. I may not be a PhD level statistician, but it seems very obvious that it is more likely that I am 1 in 20 thousand than 1 in 100 million.
The fact that you have a pen#s doesn't certainly mean that you have XX, but rather confirms that you're an XY boy, not a girl.
They could have this intersex condition (it’s extraordinarily rare and could be other conditions). But they shouldn’t claim to have this condition until they know for certain, as it is an affront to those that actually do have the condition. It is disease appropriation. It would be like having testicles and competing with those without testicles. If they are indeed XX, then they are not cheating and do not fit the criteria for exclusion. In fact, their condition would support the argument for division of sports.
It's not actually as rare as you think. Assuming the Earth's population is 8 billion, then that would mean that approximately 400,000 people have it. I did not claim to have it (and when I did I corrected myself and said I misspoke), but instead said it is highly likely that I have it. No matter if I have it or not I am not cheating, as me competing on the girls team is allowed by state law and CIF bylaws. And even then, my testicles do not produce testosterone normally.
I didn't realize that there were a set of criteria to exclude a high school athlete from sports despite being permitted by law. Could you please explain?
Why shouldn't I be able to claim to have this condition without yet having scientific proof to back it up? Everyone at my school seems to think it's fine to claim I have XY without having scientific proof to back it up.
And I'm sure just as many of those millions support Harris. The majority is not as vast as you think.
And in regards to the law, lets see what he will have to specify.
What about cis-boys with XX?
What about cis-girls with XY?
What about other intersex variations?
What about trans boys on testosterone (who are prescribed it in another country cause he will criminalize it here)?
Are there age limits for when you must start?
What about trans girls on estrogen (who are prescribed it in another country cause he will criminalize it here)?
Are there age limits for when you must start?
What about trans boys on puberty blockers (who are prescribed it in another country cause he will criminalize it here)?
Are there age limits for when you must start?
What about trans girls on puberty blockers (who are prescribed it in another country cause he will criminalize it here)?
Are there age limits for when you must start?
What about trans boys who have undergone bottom surgery (who are prescribed it in another country cause he will criminalize it here)?
Are there age requirements for when you must have it done?
What about trans girls who have undergone bottom surgery (who are prescribed it in another country cause he will criminalize it here)?
Are there age requirements for when you must have it done?
And then for each and every one of these he must make sure that it aligns with title IX, and yes I am talking about his version of title IX. Because it would violate title IX to only allow trans boys to compete with other boys if you don't allow trans girls to compete with other girls.
And then he would have to deal with a ton of lawsuits and push back nationwide. Ya'll thought there were a lot fighting to get trans people out of sports? Well there's one problem. The issue with trans people in sports affects a very small amount of people. Not many would go out of their way to fight for something that doesn't affect them. But LGBTQ rights affects thee entire LGBTQ community. So the entire community would fight against these laws non-stop for the next 4 years. I would not be surprised if over the next 4 years there are 1000+ lawsuits that make national headlines fighting for LGBTQ rights
Pretty easy. Categories are sex based, not gender based. Regardless of their choice to take estrogen, transgirls are males and should compete in the male category, taking estrogen doesnt negate unsporting advantage. And yes, some boys are slow, and have physical disadvantages therefore they are on the lower end of the scale in terms of athletic ability compared to the rest of the boys. Just because they are slow boys, does not mean they get to compete as girls because they tied their hair up in a pony tail.
Transboys are females, and unless they take supplemental testosterone, they can compete in the female category. The male category is not a protected category, so transboys can compete there too, however they would have to either get a TUE for testosterone therapy or decide not to take it in order to continue with sports.
The term intersex is a misnomer, the more modern term is DSD (disorder of sexual development). Each DSD condition is still considered Male or Female. Caster Semenya is a male for example. I do not agree to use terms such as cis, or sex assigned at birth because it implies that sex is a changeable condition based on a choice, which not the case. Calling someone cis, implies that that person chooses to remain female, or adhere to societal stereotypes about appearance. Being a woman is not something that is cosmetic, or a choice, it is an unchangeable state if being determined by nature (or God if that's what you believe in). Having long hair, taking estrogen pills, getting plastic surgery, does not change someone's inherent nature. Whoever told you that was possible has lied to you. We are born into this world male or female, it was not assigned to us, and adult human females are women, not "cis-women".
Laws in California say otherwise. Can you create actual criteria for your division? You say it is based on sex, yet sex markers can easily be changed. For example I already have legal documents that have female marked.
And again, how do you plan to enforce any of this?
Are you claiming that millions of people throughout the world do not exist? Cause that's sure what it sounds like. And not just people, entire cultures and religions too. Gender non-conforming people exist, and your statements just go to show of your bigotry.
Explain this biology to me. Because as far as I know, no one here has access to my medical records. So none of you even know what I was assigned at birth. And it is likely that I have XX chromosomes. By your logic that should mean I compete with girls, right?
And anyways, where in that post did I say anything about what gender I identify as? No where. So if you are going to quote something, at least make it relevant.
And no one is cheating either. CIF policies directly state that I compete based on my gender identity. There are no hormone levels tests, or regulations on what hormone levels are allowed, and if they do regulate that I don't know how they plan to enforce it cause I for one have never had my levels tested.
And... um... Wrestling??? When did I say anything about wrestling? If your going to argue against my participation in sports, maybe you should at least know what sport you're talking about.
And my parents, as well as many other parents of students at my school, stand by me. They know I have ZERO advantage over the girls, and they know that bullying and hate should NOT be tolerated.
What parents stand against me? Based off the board meeting, only a small handful of parents who have children affected. The rest of the speakers were 1) members of religious, conservative groups, 2) members of anti-trans hate groups, 3) republican politicians, 4) literally random people from other counties who have no stake in any of this.
Even if you have this extremely rare condition, you are still categorized as a male:
"De la Chapelle syndrome, also known as XX malesyndrome or 46,XX testicular disorder of sex development (DSD), is a rare genetic disorder that affects sexual development:"
It is a male condition because the expressed gene (or phenotype) is a male phenotype. (Which is why they have male genetalia).
Even if this condition makes you a slower than average male, you are still male. To bend over backwards to please less than 0.01 % of the population is wrong, and to allow people into categories just because they want to compete in those categories is wrong. "Tough cookies" as they say, you don't get everything you want in life and you should not be able to compete in a female category because you have not magically turned into a "female". It would be like a 200lb person saying they should compete in the 120lb division because they have an extremely rare health condition that makes them have poorer athletic ability....that makes no sense. That 200lb doesn't get to switch categories, they have to stay in their category and just be low ranking in that category...too bad, not everyone gets to be on varsity or be a winner.
I'm a girl, with or without de la Chapelles. I am socially and legally recognized as such as well. No one is bending over backwards for anyone. My school is following state laws, CIF bylaws, and both align with federal laws.
And anyways, if I have De La Chapelles and would be forced to run on the boys team whoever did so wouldbe bending over backwards for the vast minority of people. As we saw last thursday, a vast majority of the LGBTQ community supports me running on the girls team. And the majority of parents and students at my school do too. XX/=XY, remember? Save Girls Sports! XX athletes should never compete with an XY athlete or else their lives and futures are at risk! This is what all of the anti-protesters claim. So they should ALL support me competing in girls divisions if I have De La Chappeles.
And guess what, you don't get everything you want in life either. I have not "magically turned into a female". If I have De La Chapelles, I always was a biological female by most peoples standards.
For your example about weight classes, weight is an objective fact. Sex very clearly is not. XX=/XY, but XX=/female/=girl and XY=/male=/boy and what is XO or XXY or XXX or any of the other abnormalities?
And as you say, "Too bad, not everyone gets to be on varsity or be a winner." Two of the girls on my team really need to hear that message. But not me. I fully understand that. That is why I never once complained when I was put on JV EVERY RACE BUT ONE this season. I never complained when I couldn't even win a JV race either.
I guess you forget that even Fox news knows that the majority of the crowd was the pro-trans anti-bullying advocates/parents/students. These laws affect a very small percentage of us. As seen at the board meeting, the LGBTQ community is very tight. When one of us is attacked, we will ALL stand for them. The anti-trans/LGBTQ movement, on the other hand, is not as tight. If it doesn't affect someone, chances are they will not go out of their way to fight against it. That is why despite claims that "There will be a whole lot more of us," there was not a significant number more anti-trans people at the meeting.
Please stop making sweeping generalizations about "the LGBTQ community" and claiming that everyone who is L, G, B and T supports males competing in girls sports.
There is no unified, uniform "LGBTQ community" that marches in lockstep and has a hive mind. There never has been. Once you learn some history and get to know people outside of your own small circle of friends and acquaintances, siloed social media bubble and narrow frame of reference, you'll find this out.
People who are L, G, B and T are as diverse in political views, beliefs, lifestyles, cultures, language traditions, etc as other people.
You and today's other young male trans activists don't speak for everyone who is L,G,B and T. Many L,G, B people - and quite a few T people too - don't support what you are doing.
In fact, many think that the selfish, entitled, male-supremacist way that many males who say they are trans are behaving nowadays - and the unreasonable demands they are making - is doing more harm than good and making everyone who is L,G,B and T look bad.
Also, for the record, some of the worst and most extreme, blatant and vulgar sexism, misogyny, male chauvinism, homophobia and animus and abusiveness towards lesbians, bisexual women and women and girls generally that I've ever seen/heard in the past 50 years is coming from some of the people who are TQ activists today. Especially male TQ activists, though unfortunately not exclusively males. Some of the females are very sexist, misogynistic, homophobic, intolerant and abusive of others too.
When activists of both sexes, various ages and races representing a range of views amongst the "LGBTQ" population gathered outside the US Supreme Court on the day of the recent Skirmetti hearing, a number of TQ activists - and parents of so-called "trans kids" - screamed really vile homophobic abuse at lesbians, gay men and bisexuals who were there to let it be known that quite a few of us adults who are same-sex attracted and "gender nonconforming" strongly oppose the medicalization and sterilizion of "gender nonconforming" children that's being done and promoted today in the name of "trans rights."
How do you explain that in a few short weeks we amassed hundreds (from my understanding) of people when people with viewpoints like yours said "There will be a whole lot more of us" did not manage to grow in number anywhere near that much?
Nope. He did not have the majority of the votes. 49.9%. Yes he had more than Harris, but he didn't have the majority. And even then, it is far less than 2/3 like is required for many votes.
So you are right. The majority has spoken. The majority of voters have said that they would rather Trump not be the next president. And while the same could be said for Harris, 1.5% difference is not a big deal, so stop acting like he won the popular vote by a landslide.
Did you really just make an argument that the President's election is less legitimate because he didn't win a 2/3 majority, even though that fraction has absolutely NOTHING to do with a presidential election?
I'm so grateful for this bizarroland logic from the Liberals because it pushed many Democrats and undecided younger voters to vote for Trump. Polls show that 70%+ now believe that biological males should not compete in girls' sports. It goes far beyond party lines. It's common sense.
No. I said that he did not have the majority. Which is true. My reference to the 2/3 vote is in regards to the creation of laws. For bills to be laws, they need a 2/3 vote.
At least at our school, it seems like the argument is not "males should not compete in girls' sports" but rather all XX compete together and only XX. Isn't that what you shirt says? XX/=XY?
No. There must be a bunch of legally binding paperwork that is filled out by the child, a parent, as well of school administration, all of which has to be done before the school year officially starts. Once it has been filled out, there is no going back. So even if I wanted to, I would not be legally allowed to compete with the boys this track season.
Like most of the other information about sex, biology, Title IX and CIF policy you've posted on this thread and others, the part of your post I've bolded is not true.
Students who have decided to or want to take advantage of California's extremely generous and loose "gender identity participation" policy are actually afforded a great deal of flexibility. The CIF guidance makes it very clear that when a student says they have a gender identity different to their sex, it doesn't mean the student's gender identity is set in stone and will never change again.
On the contrary, the CIF guidance says that a student who has aready opted to take advantage of the "gender identity participation policy" might decide to change course the next year or next season.
For example, the CIF guidance says that if a student says he or she has a nonbinary gender identity,
they may select the gendered team on which they feel most comfortable participating. Factors that the nonbinary athlete may take into consideration include established camaraderie with fellow athletes, personal safety, and/or privacy concerns.
Once this determination is made, the student will be eligible to participate in sports offered for the selected gender. If a student wishes to change the selected gender during any remaining years of athletic eligibility, they will be allowed to do so if this change is a result of a deeper understanding of their gender identity
However, in such. cases, the student
may need to attend an eligibility hearing to gain varsity eligibility.
A student may have other reasons for changing their gender identification and those can be considered with an emphasis on optimizing the athlete’s confidence, safety, and privacy.
If a student who says they have a nonbinary gender identity would like would like to compete in different sex categories in different seasons during the same school year, their cases
may be reviewed on a case-by-case basis.
What is important to recognize is that a student’s understanding of their gender identity may take some time to fully discern.
They may... still need to discover the gender that they are.
a student’s understanding of their gender identity may take some time to fully discern. It is both an internal journey and an external experience.
I don't see how it could be legal or morally justifed for California school officials to apply the "gender identity participation" policy in such a flexible way for students who say they have a nonbinary gender identity and not show the same sort of consideration and pliability for students who say they have a trans or other kind of gender identity inconsistent with their sex - or who claim it's likey they have a rare DSD like you're now doing.
If you wanted to compete in your correct sex category, it might take a bit of doing and some time - but I think school officials, CIF and the state of CA would be way of out line to decree that competing in the correct sex category is no longer possible for a student in your particular shoes.
In fact, if your school, school disrict, CIF and/or the state of CA didn't allow you to go back to being on boys' teams and said you couldn't compete against members of your own sex ever again - whether in the long term or the relatively short term - then I believe you'd have good cause to sue them in court and file a Title IX complaint against them on the grounds that they've discriminated against you due to your sex, claimed gender idenity and gender expression - and they've denied you equal protection/treatment under the law as guaranteed by the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution.
If you read my previous sentence, I said there is paperwork that must be filled out before the school year. Every school year has some time before it, so during any of these periods of time you could fill it out. So my statement stand true, during the course of the school year there is no going back.
And about your supposed lawsuit... I'm not a snowflake. I understand that there are MUCH more important things in life than not being on the team I want, whether or not it's JV vs varsity or if its boys vs girls. I would not even dream of filing a lawsuit for that. Especially because of Bidens revoked title IX changes. From my understanding it means that schools legally can discriminate against students on the basis of sex/gender/gender identity in regards to sports (though that may not be entirely accurate, that is how I understand it).
And I thought you were a huge advocate for title IX protecting girls and not 'biological males'? Does that mean you finally accept me as being a girl?
Forgive me if I'm being stupid but why would a hereditary site comment on your sex chromosomes?
Their business is identifying hereditary dna for genetics, not chromosomes for disease.
It's seems to me a bit like asking an artist what colour a brick is and expecting the answer '6 inches tall'.
Or do they specifically offer chromosomes testing and la chapelle disease diagnostics?
Their website is down for the second day and wiki only talks about genetic health predisposition, nit direct testing if present diseases.
Yes, they offer chromosome tests. Maybe not in those exact words, but they do. They don't specifically diagnose de la Chapelles or other conditions, however if it says I have XX I will be getting an appointment to get officially diagnosed.
If you read my previous sentence, I said there is paperwork that must be filled out before the school year. Every school year has some time before it, so during any of these periods of time you could fill it out. So my statement stand true, during the course of the school year there is no going back.
The CIF toolkit that I quoted from earlier specifically gives an example of a student who's already taking advantage of the "gender identity participation" policy being allowed to switch from competing on a girls' sports team in the fall to competing on a boys' sports team in the spring of the same academic year.
The toolkit portrays a request to switch from one category to the other during the same school year as reasonable and indicates that the switch will likely be permitted if the reason for it is a student's evolving and deepening understanding of themselves, their identity, their relationship to society and their place in the world at large.
What is important to recognize is that a student’s understanding of their gender identity may take some time to fully discern. It is both an internal journey and an external experience.
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That guy changes his facts every 5 minutes. First it was no going back. Then it was only each year. Next he will say that your example is an exception.
He is a boy. He is a girl. He is neither. He is both.
It’s actually highly unlikely that you have XX, but there is one way to know for sure. That way you don’t have to deal in theoreticals. You could just be slow.
How do you explain the fact that I have just about every symptom? From statistics I found online, if I don't have XX then the combination of my birth defects would leave me at about 1/100,000,000. And those are just the defects that are symptoms of De La Chapelles. If we tally up the odds for all of my birth defects it leaves me at 1/5,000,000,000,000 (this value includes all my physical deformations as well as ADHD and autism). Yes, 1 in 5 trillion. The odds of me having De La Chapelles is 1/20,000. Which means that it is extremely likely that I have XX. I may not be a PhD level statistician, but it seems very obvious that it is more likely that I am 1 in 20 thousand than 1 in 100 million.
Hi, the way you are using stats to make your argument is incorrect in part because it’s prone to Bayesian fallacies. It’s also prone to the improbable-but-inevitable fallacy.
Forgive me if I'm being stupid but why would a hereditary site comment on your sex chromosomes?
Their business is identifying hereditary dna for genetics, not chromosomes for disease.
It's seems to me a bit like asking an artist what colour a brick is and expecting the answer '6 inches tall'.
Or do they specifically offer chromosomes testing and la chapelle disease diagnostics?
Their website is down for the second day and wiki only talks about genetic health predisposition, nit direct testing if present diseases.
Yes, they offer chromosome tests. Maybe not in those exact words, but they do. They don't specifically diagnose de la Chapelles or other conditions, however if it says I have XX I will be getting an appointment to get officially diagnosed.
I don't get why anyone with a legitimate medical reason to undergo genetic testing would waste time and money using 23andMe rather seeing a HCP and going for medical DNA testing (and counseling) right off the bat.
Results of genetic testing from 23andMe are not considered reliable for purposes of medical diagnosis and treatment. No HCP, HCF or health insurance provider will accept 23andMe results in lieu of results ordered by a medical practioner and done in a medical lab. So regardless of what 23and me says, the tests will have to be repeated.
Citing the costs of medical DNA testing doesn't make much sense, either - especially since the tests have to be done at some point anyways and time is of the essence in the case of a teenager who possibly has de la Chapelle syndrome.
Also, the cost of genetic testing has come way down over the years - and now publicly-funded insurance such as Medi-Cal, TRICARE and Medicare all cover the cost of genetic testing done for medical reasons; so does private insurance.
In some cases, such as prenatal genetic testing to screen fetuses for a variety of inherited conditions, California residents don't even have to shell out of pocket for a copay or deductible.
Medi-Cal or private health insurance must cover the program fees with only a few exceptions for self-insured employers and out-of-state health plans. There is no co-payment, co-insurance, deductible, or any other form of cost sharing required for families with insurance coverage.
Starting in 2024, the program fees for the two different screenings provided by the California Prenatal Screening (PNS) Program are the following: $344 for cell-free DNA (cfDNA) screening $85 for maternal serum alpha-fetoprotein (MSAFP) screening
The fees cover 1) the cost of the screening, and 2) follow-up services at a state-approved Prenatal Diagnosis Center if there is a screening result showing an increased chance of a birth defect. MediCal and private insurance must cover all program fees, with only a few exceptions for self-insured employers and out-of-state health plans.
A major problem with 23andMe and other forms of DNA testing that aren't done for medical reasons is that the results aren't covered by HIPAA, the federal law protecting privacy of medical information.
Another problem with 23andMe in particular is the long time it takes for them to process their kits and get back to customers with the test results.
Once 23andMe receives the sample customers send in, it takes them 4-6 weeks to send the results.
By contrast, Labcorp says its direct-to- consumer DNA test kits have much shorter turnaround times:
3–5 business days once all samples are received in our DNA testing laboratory.
The single-party test from Labcorp is those who want a record of their DNA costs $105.
A single-party DNA test is a way to keep a sample of DNA on file should it ever be needed.
DNA samples for at-home tests are collected by individuals in the privacy of their own home. This sample is collected using a cotton swab that is gently rubbed on the inside of your cheek.
They provide the same information as a legal DNA test, but they are not intended for use in a court of law. If there is a possibility that the results might be needed for legal purposes, a legal test should be performed.
But I still don't get why anyone with a legitimate medical reason to undergo genetic testing especially for a condition like XX male syndrome would waste time with either this Labcorp service or 23andMe instead of going for medical testing right off the bat. Especially when the suspected condition is a DSD or other problem affecting the gonadal function of a teenager that already has had and is continuing to have huge impacts on his physical and mental health and development - and getting a prompt diagnosis and beginning treatment ASAP would make a big difference in both the near-term and long-term.
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Of about 400,000 Ohio high school athletes, five transgender girls opted this school year to follow their gender identity and compete in women’s sports.
The 2020-2021 year was no exception. Four transgender girls obtained approval in 2019-2020; two in 2018-2019; none were approved between 2015 and 2017, according to the OSHAA.
What don't you get? It doesn't matter if it's just one cheater. There are two sexes. Just compete in the sex in which you were born. It's fair, safe and very simple.
Do you think Sarah Gronert is a "cheater"? She is listed as one of the cheaters on RR's website.
How about Erika Coimbra? Is she a cheater?
Were they "born" women? They were assigned female at birth. Is that good enough for you? Alicia Roth Weigel was also assigned female at birth, and she competed in rowing and cross country as a high school student. Was she a cheater?
Then she has no business competing with women. So she is doing the right thing.
But I also think that she cannot speak for trans women who have gone through HRT, especially those who started at young age.
I don't think you are bigoted. But I think you are misinformed if you think all "trans women" are the same when it comes to advantage in athletic competitions.
The same for intersex people." People with different DSD have different levels of advantage, and some have little to none. That's why I posted the videos of Sarah Gronert and Erika Coimbra. I think they are both women except for their chromosomes. I also think they had no unfair advantage, and they deserved to compete with women.
Yeah, lots of people do not and will never see you as a girl, and that does not make them a bigot. Its a belief and you cannot force your beliefs on other people, that's wrong.
Remember those five athletes dominated girls' sports in Ohio with their unfair advantage?
I don't either...
Five 2nd to last place finishers would be five too many.
None of them need to dominate like Aayden Gallagher or Lia Thomas in order for us to fight it, but those 2 disgusting examples represent the worst fear of this whole travesty.
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