He also thinks Mo Farahs PB being worse than what Jakob set when 21 and not having attempted a time trial is irrelevant for the all time best 5k/10k ranking, he's such a hilarious person
Farah has a far better championship record in his specialty events than does Ingebrigtsen. He was clearly the best 5k/10k runner in his era. His lack of records doesn't alter that. But Ingebrigtsen doesn't have enough championship titles or records - none over championship distances - to claim that.
So only medals matters when it comes to comparing Jakob and Farah, but only PB matters when it comes to comparing Jakob and Cheptegei. You're a really funny person.
1. He is a 5k runner but not the best the event has seen, or even the best in this era, which would require he beat the wr.
2. He is no closer to taking the 5k record until he shows it with a faster time over the distance. Faster times over shorter distances don't necessarily translate to faster times over a longer distance. Athletes have their best distances and can't run all distances equally well. I think his best distances are 2k-2 mile. To be in contention for the 5k wr I would suggest he has to show he is already close to it. He isn't. As I have said previously, unless he runs in the region of 12:40 I don't think he has a shot at the world mark.
Peter Snell - 1:46.48 PB, 1:44.3 WR
Kipchoge Keino - no time, 7:39.6 WR
Marcello Fiasconaro - 1:44.7 PB, 1:43.7 WR
Rick Wohlhuter - 2:25.8 PB, 2:13.9 WR
Alberto Juantorena - 1:44.9 PB, 1:43.50 WR
Samson Kimobwa - 28:10.27 PB, 27:30.47 WR
Henry Rono - 13:22.18 PB, 13:08.4 WR
Sebastian Coe - 1:43.97 PB, 1:42.33 WR
Sebastian Coe - 3:57.67 PB, 3:48.95 WR
Sebastian Coe - 2:30.9 PB, 2:13,40 WR
David Moorcroft - 13:20.51 PB, 13:00.41 WR
Moses Kiptanui - 8:31.0 PB, 8:07. 89 close to WR
Moses Kiptanui - no time, 13:00.93 No. 3 all-time
Noureddine Morceli - 3:31.00 PB, 3:28.86 WR
William Sigei - 27:16.91 PB, 26:52,23 WR
Haile Gebrselassie: 27:15.00 PB, 26:43.53 WR
Hicham El Guerrouj - 3:28.91 PB, 3:26.00 WR
Noah Ngeny - 3:52.09 PB, 3:43.40 No. 2 all-time
Kenenisa Bekele - 12:52.26 PB, 12:35.36 WR
Kenenisa Bekele - 26:49.57 PB, 26:20.31 WR
Joshua Cheptegei - 12:57.41 PB, 12:35.36 WR
Joshua Cheptegei - 26:48.36 PB, 26:11.00 WR
There are so many more examples for rapid improvement of PB to a (close to) WR.
That Ingebrigtsen hasn't set a 5000m PB since 3 1/2 years is almost irrelevant for the question: he hasn't tried to do so.
With his results from the last 3 years and while knowing the fact that he hasn't done a single race for time in this period, he IS a very strong contender for the 5000m WR.
Comparing other runners is irrelevant. Nothing anything one athlete does determines what another will do. You assume Ingebrigtsen hasn't tried to run faster in 3 years over 5k. It may be just as likely that he is limited over the distance, because in the same period he has improved his times over shorter distances. And how often has he run the 2k, 3k and 2 mile in the last 3 years?
Who is currently better in the 5k than the person who hasn't lost a 5k final since becoming an adult?
It's funny that Armstronglivs thinks Jakob isn't the best 1500m runner in the world despite being the fastest but thinks Cheptegei is a superior 5000m runner to Jakob even with his losing record. Double standards at its finest.
Cheptegei doesn't keep losing consecutive championship titles like Ingebrigtsen does. He also has the wr over the distance - as well as the 10k. Ingebrigtsen doesn't have the 1500 wr and gets his butt kicked in the biggest races. There's the difference.
It's funny that Armstronglivs thinks Jakob isn't the best 1500m runner in the world despite being the fastest but thinks Cheptegei is a superior 5000m runner to Jakob even with his losing record. Double standards at its finest.
He also thinks Mo Farahs PB being worse than what Jakob set when 21 and not having attempted a time trial is irrelevant for the all time best 5k/10k ranking, he's such a hilarious person
Age comparisons are irrelevant. Farah has more championship titles than Ingebrigtsen and achieved the "Viren double" over two Olympics, which Ingebrigtsen will never match.
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Bekele. Cheptegei. Ingebrigtsen hasn't got near them in times. If he ran more races we would also probably see him lose more often. Like he does in the 1500/mile.
Your definition of era is completely useless if it includes Bekele who set his PB in 2004 and retired from track in 2012, and no, Cheptegei isn't better when he has a single global gold medal.
You're aware that Cheptegei dropped out of the 5000m final at Paris, right? That it's Cheptegei who's afraid of racing and losing and not Jakob?
Farah has a far better championship record in his specialty events than does Ingebrigtsen. He was clearly the best 5k/10k runner in his era. His lack of records doesn't alter that. But Ingebrigtsen doesn't have enough championship titles or records - none over championship distances - to claim that.
So only medals matters when it comes to comparing Jakob and Farah, but only PB matters when it comes to comparing Jakob and Cheptegei. You're a really funny person.
I'm glad you're amused because you haven't understood the comparison. Farah is better than Ingebrigtsen by far by a championship measure, while Cheptegei's vastly superior best 5k time over Ingebrigtsen puts him well ahead of the Norwegian, because Cheptegei also has championship titles under his belt - as well as a 10k record that would leave Ingebrigtsen nearly a lap behind. Bekele was also far better. Ingebrigtsen is vastly overrated here.
So only medals matters when it comes to comparing Jakob and Farah, but only PB matters when it comes to comparing Jakob and Cheptegei. You're a really funny person.
I'm glad you're amused because you haven't understood the comparison. Farah is better than Ingebrigtsen by far by a championship measure, while Cheptegei's vastly superior best 5k time over Ingebrigtsen puts him well ahead of the Norwegian, because Cheptegei also has championship titles under his belt - as well as a 10k record that would leave Ingebrigtsen nearly a lap behind. Bekele was also far better. Ingebrigtsen is vastly overrated here.
The comparison is you picking and choosing which metrics are valid and which aren't. You can't have it both way that both being slower and winning more titles and being faster but winning fewer titles makes you a better runner. Why did Cheptegei finish 9th in the only global final where they faced each other and Jakob won? Why did Cheptegei rather drop out of the Paris final than face Jakob?
He also doesn't have multiple titles, he has a single global final gold medal. One. Bringing up the 10k in a discussion about the 5k is irrelevant and shows you don't have a real argument.
It's funny that Armstronglivs thinks Jakob isn't the best 1500m runner in the world despite being the fastest but thinks Cheptegei is a superior 5000m runner to Jakob even with his losing record. Double standards at its finest.
Cheptegei doesn't keep losing consecutive championship titles like Ingebrigtsen does. He also has the wr over the distance - as well as the 10k. Ingebrigtsen doesn't have the 1500 wr and gets his butt kicked in the biggest races. There's the difference.
Yes, Cheptegei doesn't lose the biggest races because he drops out of them because he doesn't want to face Jakob.
There are so many more examples for rapid improvement of PB to a (close to) WR.
That Ingebrigtsen hasn't set a 5000m PB since 3 1/2 years is almost irrelevant for the question: he hasn't tried to do so.
With his results from the last 3 years and while knowing the fact that he hasn't done a single race for time in this period, he IS a very strong contender for the 5000m WR.
Comparing other runners is irrelevant. Nothing anything one athlete does determines what another will do. You assume Ingebrigtsen hasn't tried to run faster in 3 years over 5k. It may be just as likely that he is limited over the distance, because in the same period he has improved his times over shorter distances. And how often has he run the 2k, 3k and 2 mile in the last 3 years?
No, it is a fact that he hasn't tried to run a fast time over 5000m in the last 3 seasons. For sure he still can be "limited" over the distance - as Olympic champ, 2x World Champ, 3x European champ.
He has run very few races over 2000m - 2 Miles. His record races all were announces as world record attempts. But for sure it's very unlikely that his achieved times are his limit.
Yes, Cheptegei doesn't lose the biggest races because he drops out of them because he doesn't want to face Jakob.
Cheptegei is a very gutsy runner. When he still was leggy after an 10000m Olympic record in hot weather it’s very understandable that he dropped the 5000m. Just like Jakob dropping WC xc, especially the hilly ones (Jakob: “I will never run a hilly WC xc”)…
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Your definition of era is completely useless if it includes Bekele who set his PB in 2004 and retired from track in 2012, and no, Cheptegei isn't better when he has a single global gold medal.
You're aware that Cheptegei dropped out of the 5000m final at Paris, right? That it's Cheptegei who's afraid of racing and losing and not Jakob?
12:35 v 12:48. 90m difference.
Jakob beat Cheptegei in that 12:48 race, and convincingly so. As well as in Eugene.
No, a 5000 WR holder dropping out of the olympic 5000 is not remotely the same as Jakob dropping out of world xc.
There’s a context here you can’t resolve with one liners. And I think all athletes are entitled to be understood through context, and not marked by the easiest negativity…
2. You do you. Having a lot of progress over every distance below 5k, including 3k, while beating faster 5k (and 10k) runners in xc and in the 5k would make most believe that he has some progression in the 5k as well. Guess time will tell. Note that I think some of the logic here is weird, but I try to not speculate about a WR untill there is something concrete (say a DL event with the pace lights set to WR pace).
But you are speculating about a wr if you think he can possibly achieve it. If you say don't know then you are in the same position as most here but if you think he is unlikely to get it then you would be agreeing with me.
Not at all, since I am clearly saying I will not speculate about a WR. I hope he runs a time trial because I am curious about his time. I think any runner that beat the world record holder and the world number two obviously is pretty strong in the distance, but I also think its not really interesting to speculate untill they actually run time trials.
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