At most colleges I know, the amount students pay is trivial to the university’s bottom line. Most of the money coming in is from investment management, donations, grants, etc. I think most college administrators see providing services to students as a relatively unimportant part of their job.
Fair statement but I stand by mine. The best NCAA coaches care a whole lot about the product they give to their athletes. If a college coach wants to succeed, create a partnership with your athletes, care about them and believe in them more than anything. You will succeed more by doing that than focusing on a product for an AD. Why would recruits trust a guy that does this? Why would HS coaches recommend his program? How do athletes perform well when they are worried about getting cut?
Yeah you can focus on being a partner to your athletes and disregard doing what the AD wants and see how far that gets you. And those athletes will be gossiping and chuckling at you curious who the next coach will be. Don’t be dense
Fair statement but I stand by mine. The best NCAA coaches care a whole lot about the product they give to their athletes. If a college coach wants to succeed, create a partnership with your athletes, care about them and believe in them more than anything. You will succeed more by doing that than focusing on a product for an AD. Why would recruits trust a guy that does this? Why would HS coaches recommend his program? How do athletes perform well when they are worried about getting cut?
Yeah you can focus on being a partner to your athletes and disregard doing what the AD wants and see how far that gets you. And those athletes will be gossiping and chuckling at you curious who the next coach will be. Don’t be dense
More often than not XC coaches that clash with the AD are popular in college. ADs rarely have a good rep with xc, especially at football schools.
Everyone is acting like this is new? 4 weeks ago Sean Carlson cut 6 athletes from Tennessee. None of them were on considerable athletic aid, so there wasn’t money being freed up. He then proceeded to apply for the Colorado Boulder job right after that and accept the job as well. Meaning he cut athletes for no reason (14:10 guy, sub 4:10 underclassman, conference scorers, etc) then left himself. This completely altered all 6 athletes lives. Does Sean care though? Doesn’t seem like it because he just did the same thing at Colorado Boulder. He cut those athletes, and in a matter of time he will be gone from Colorado Boulder himself when the NCAA investigates the numerous ncaa recruiting violations he has committed the past year, specifically the ones he’s currently committing.
Every single one of these nameless CU insiders is a troll. 100%
You just proved that you have no idea what is going on in this situation.
That's YOU sucka! You know how many of you "CU insider" trolls never mentioned Sean Carlson's name in the mix in the other threads about the hiring? 100%!!
Everyone is acting like this is new? 4 weeks ago Sean Carlson cut 6 athletes from Tennessee. None of them were on considerable athletic aid, so there wasn’t money being freed up. He then proceeded to apply for the Colorado Boulder job right after that and accept the job as well. Meaning he cut athletes for no reason (14:10 guy, sub 4:10 underclassman, conference scorers, etc) then left himself. This completely altered all 6 athletes lives. Does Sean care though? Doesn’t seem like it because he just did the same thing at Colorado Boulder. He cut those athletes, and in a matter of time he will be gone from Colorado Boulder himself when the NCAA investigates the numerous ncaa recruiting violations he has committed the past year, specifically the ones he’s currently committing.
Please educate us about these recruiting violations. In the age of NIL, it's nearly impossible to commit recruiting violations. I can't even imagine what they could be. The accusations thrown at this guy are flat out silly.
From the self proclaimed and famous interview “I recruit and develop Americans.” Sean Carlson has cut 9 American men from the Colorado roster, without an attempt to develop the athletes at all. Colorado is known for having their American runners being built and trained to be tough as nails.
Charlie Welch Alex Baca Benjamin Greene Nolan Hoffman Evan Charkut Stefan Haug Jack Nauman Jacob Culig Jake Derouin
Another power hungry coach that doesn’t care about his image of being a good coach vs buying a roster. I guess Carlson has decided to follow the wave of the foreign train. Unfortunately it seems the glory days of Covid are in the past.
What do my fellow Buff Alum think about this mass exodus of athletes from Colorado?
Wasn’t it a walk on who brought down one of the greatest college coaches ever? Maybe he wants to make sure his runners are less afraid of NAU than scales?
Looks like Carlson has found a very qualified assistant to follow him to Boulder. Looks like he may be more like Wetmore than we anticipated. Selecting young female athletes to be assistants with no credentials on or off the track! I wonder if his wife will be happy about this?
I’m not going to waste my time reading this whole thread. I’m just skipping to my response to this whole thread.
Be prepared for this to be the standard in men’s NCAA DI track & field/XC from here on out. If you’re not a proven point scorer at the NCAA track level, or AT LEAST conference level (or top 5 on an NCAA XC squad), you’re going to be cut. Doesn’t even matter if you’re not on any scholarship…you’re still wasting school resources. Notice I didn’t say “potential.” You get one year to score at whatever level your school scholarshipped you at or your a$$ is grass. Don’t like this model? That’s what your student athlete reps on the SAAC voted for. Take it up with them. But it probably won’t matter since men’s track/XC likely won’t exist in a couple years anyway.
As for all the Carlson haters on here - he’s just doing the job his AD is paying him to do. Still but hurt? Blame Kate Intile for finally bringing your program down (and anyone else who wanted to impress her). Could have enjoyed the good times a couple more years if it wasn’t for her. I say this as a current P4 coach. Cheers!
Anyone who says “I’m a coach at a Power 4 school” clearly isn’t an actual collegiate coach, posting anonymously on LetsRun on a Tuesday night at 1 am, you’re a collegiate coach… in your dreams buddy!
Just because you wish you were a coach, doesn’t make you one. Sean Carlson probably won’t see this and doesn’t care that you are defending him.
Anyone who says “I’m a coach at a Power 4 school” clearly isn’t an actual collegiate coach, posting anonymously on LetsRun on a Tuesday night at 1 am, you’re a collegiate coach… in your dreams buddy!
Just because you wish you were a coach, doesn’t make you one. Sean Carlson probably won’t see this and doesn’t care that you are defending him.
Let’s say you’re right. Does it change anything I posted?
Regardless, what if I’m not on the east coast & not at a school that cares if we are successful because they are about to cut us anyway? Seems to me I wouldn’t have anything better to do at 9pm on a Tuesday.
But I digress. Is anything I said wrong? If so…we’ll all be waiting for your rebuttal.
First, I didn't say it started this year, just replied about it in general, yes I know it starts 25/26 season.
Second I stand by what I said. There is a 17 person roster cap for xc with unlimited scholarships, clearly if you only have 17 people on the roster there is technically only 17 scholarships.
Careful, there are 17 roster spots, but there can be 0 scholarships. Schools will not be moving to 45 track scholarships, just roster places.
The things being said on this thread about Sean Carlson do not surprise me. Sean is arrogant, cocky, a bully, self-centered, and egotistical. I knew Sean very well, and what goes around comes around. I hope what he has achieved was worth it. Sean is one half hard worker, one of the most singularly focused guys I’ve ever known. I’ll give him that. On the other half, he is a talented Mr. Ripley type of a guy, a social climber, charmer, and deeply insecure. To think he has been a coach of young men boggles my mind. I really hope he has changed, and if he has, it is because the person I knew him as was confronted by a mentor or the like and had a stern talk with him, that winning isn’t the only thing that matters.
Alex Baca (14:11/29:39) and Jake Derouin (13:59/29:39) were the only possible contributors. The rest were gathering dust on the shelf.
Really, if you had a good enough HS career to get on the team at perennial power Colorado and dont make an NCAA meet individually by 21 or end of redshirt sophomore year, it likely isnt happening unless you get tue greyshirt like Joe Bosshard and a miracle.
I agree. This is just heartbreaking. I don't understand how they can treat the kids this way. They are going to lose alumni and community support for this program. And for those who keep calling it a business, this is behavior is a huge turn off to donors, so it is bad for business. Winning isn't everything. There needs to be a human component to it. We want to support a program that we believe to be good. You can WIN and be good. These tactics are incredibly short sighted.
What’s crazy is the people saying it’s just a business are actually completely wrong. Track and XC loses money so if it was a business it would have to declare bankruptcy. If you’re going to act like a football coach don’t be surprised if your team gets cut because you aren’t producing money like a football coach does
Looks like Carlson has found a very qualified assistant to follow him to Boulder. Looks like he may be more like Wetmore than we anticipated. Selecting young female athletes to be assistants with no credentials on or off the track! I wonder if his wife will be happy about this?
You just proved that you have no idea what is going on in this situation.
That's YOU sucka! You know how many of you "CU insider" trolls never mentioned Sean Carlson's name in the mix in the other threads about the hiring? 100%!!
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"Insinders"= the BroHo's making crap up to get more page click revenue.
Fair statement but I stand by mine. The best NCAA coaches care a whole lot about the product they give to their athletes. If a college coach wants to succeed, create a partnership with your athletes, care about them and believe in them more than anything. You will succeed more by doing that than focusing on a product for an AD. Why would recruits trust a guy that does this? Why would HS coaches recommend his program? How do athletes perform well when they are worried about getting cut?
Yeah you can focus on being a partner to your athletes and disregard doing what the AD wants and see how far that gets you. And those athletes will be gossiping and chuckling at you curious who the next coach will be. Don’t be dense
You are missing my point. I never said ignore the AD. I guarantee if you show your athletes that you care most about them, they will run better and the ad will be happy. It's the focus of your attention, not the actions.
A coach doesn't coach to become your friend. They come to produce a product for the school. That is their objective. It is not to be your friend or buddy. If you are not an asset to the team, then you are a liability. You can train on your own but you do not deserve to wear a Buffs XC uniform if you're not producing.
Is this Sean's burner? This is the exact attitude that led to half of Tennessee being in the portal until he left.
An entitled Gen Z mindset is why you don't understand that it's a sound approach. Can everyone in the Army wear a ranger cap? No, only those who earned it. Grow up out of the participation-trophy mindset. It will do you well later in life.
