I’m guessing if she does the 1500/5000, she will try to save energy in the 1500 and run just fast enough to kick for a win. That would leave her fresher for the 5000.
I just can’t imagine her running the 1500 and not running as fast as she possibly can (going with what she’s said in many interviews now), the entire focus of her training block is to set herself up to be able to run an incredibly fast final mile in the 5000m at USATF. She won’t be doing herself any favors by running a slow 1500m.
It's a championship final in Austin, TX in June. Most likely both 1500m and 5k will be relatively slow let's say 4:10 and 15:25. This has nothing to do w/ her training block, it's just nature of champ racing, rounds and heat.
NC St has a chance to win the award for overall top program in xc, indoor, and outdoor, so team will compete harder for points here than acc. Although not as good as a natty, this award usually floats among powers Arkansas, Oregon and Stanford and NC St has never won this.
The 1:40 is plenty of time for turnaround. An hour is even manageable and kt has plenty of hs experience with doubles, triples, quadruples. I don't think it's a lock she wins 1500, but she can definitely score in both events for team.
If she does win both, her case for Bowerman is unique. NCAA wins at 1500, 3000, 5000 and xc. Records at all distances and xc course records at Stillwater 22 course and Panorama Farms 23 course. Leading team to first 'overall program' win. I still think it's hard to beat Alfred, Wilson, Moore and maybe Nugent. Wilson has already bested Mu's 400 record and she's only a few tenths off Syd's 400h college record.
I just can’t imagine her running the 1500 and not running as fast as she possibly can (going with what she’s said in many interviews now), the entire focus of her training block is to set herself up to be able to run an incredibly fast final mile in the 5000m at USATF. She won’t be doing herself any favors by running a slow 1500m.
It's a championship final in Austin, TX in June. Most likely both 1500m and 5k will be relatively slow let's say 4:10 and 15:25. This has nothing to do w/ her training block, it's just nature of champ racing, rounds and heat.
NC St has a chance to win the award for overall top program in xc, indoor, and outdoor, so team will compete harder for points here than acc. Although not as good as a natty, this award usually floats among powers Arkansas, Oregon and Stanford and NC St has never won this.
The 1:40 is plenty of time for turnaround. An hour is even manageable and kt has plenty of hs experience with doubles, triples, quadruples. I don't think it's a lock she wins 1500, but she can definitely score in both events for team.
If she does win both, her case for Bowerman is unique. NCAA wins at 1500, 3000, 5000 and xc. Records at all distances and xc course records at Stillwater 22 course and Panorama Farms 23 course. Leading team to first 'overall program' win. I still think it's hard to beat Alfred, Wilson, Moore and maybe Nugent. Wilson has already bested Mu's 400 record and she's only a few tenths off Syd's 400h college record.
I just noticed at regionals that the time between 1500 and 5000 is 2:55, due to more people heats etc. The 5000 also starts at 8:10pm, hopefully knocking out heat and humidity.
Thanks, I expected these only Thursday. Strategy now clear - Chmiel, Hays to score in 10k, Touhy alone in 1500, the whole boatload in 5k Tyynismaa, Bush, Hartmann, Shaw all fresh plus Touhy, Chmiel, Hays coming back. With the east weak and notable scratches, the pack could put 5-6 in the NCAA final again, setting up some team tactics.
Potential NC St Team tactics - Bush and Tyynismaa would appear to be in 1 heat with rest in the other (Valby) heat. Bush and Tyynismaa could leave setting the pace in their heat up to one of the 15:45-50 runners who would be the next fastest in that heat while. That heat could end up close to 16:00 for 5th. Tuohy could guide the rest to a time in 15:50s in the other heat, forgetting about whatever Valby might do. so that the 2 on time qualifiers come from that heat.
I wanted to check one more piece of data. In 2021 Teare and Hocker seemed very close in times for 1500 thru at least 3000. After the Hocker 1500 victory Teare won the 5000 in 13:12 with Hocker only 6 seconds back (after the same 1:40 rest). Could Teare have run 10 seconds faster? I don't know. So, if you believe Tuohy is maybe 15 seconds faster than Valby in the 5000 and closer to 30 over the rest of this field, this might work out better than we think (tho difficult).
*high-five*
And we know she is that much faster. Current in this season, she’s 22 seconds faster than a still-injured Valby. And, 17 seconds faster than the 2nd fastest competitor in the nation.
Win the 1500 with a blazing fast time. (That IS really her goal right now enroute to the ultimate goal of running a blazing fast final mile in the USATF 5000).
Stay hydrated, keep moving until the 5000 and then stay with the pack until 1000m remaining and go for the win.
Thanks, I expected these only Thursday. Strategy now clear - Chmiel, Hays to score in 10k, Touhy alone in 1500, the whole boatload in 5k Tyynismaa, Bush, Hartmann, Shaw all fresh plus Touhy, Chmiel, Hays coming back. With the east weak and notable scratches, the pack could put 5-6 in the NCAA final again, setting up some team tactics.
Potential NC St Team tactics - Bush and Tyynismaa would appear to be in 1 heat with rest in the other (Valby) heat. Bush and Tyynismaa could leave setting the pace in their heat up to one of the 15:45-50 runners who would be the next fastest in that heat while. That heat could end up close to 16:00 for 5th. Tuohy could guide the rest to a time in 15:50s in the other heat, forgetting about whatever Valby might do. so that the 2 on time qualifiers come from that heat.
This part being in reference to the Regional, right? Intriguing.
An interesting rationale for Tuohy being #4 in this guys mind for Bowerman at this point. I can see her being #4 as the other 3 have very strong cases, but if this is his reason, well really? "If the Bowerman finalists were announced today, I believe Katelyn Tuohy would narrowly miss out. That’s how stacked the watch list is at the top. During the indoor season, Tuohy set three collegiate records and won two NCAA titles. During the outdoor season, she set the 5000-meter collegiate record and won the ACC 10,000 meter title in her first-ever collegiate race. Tuohy’s Bowerman resume doesn’t include her cross country efforts this year, which aren’t considered for the award. Tuohy sits at a close fourth right now because one outdoor conference championship is less than two and she finished third among collegians in the 5K at the Wake Forest Invitational."
I guess the lesson is don't run a qualifying mark in a 5000 when you are tired after running a fast 1500 30 minutes prior?
NCAA Digital's Stan Becton breaks down the top women's Bowerman candidates, analyzing which athletes have the best case for the award at this point of the season.
I guess especially when all you are trying to do is run a qualifying mark. That is a lame reason to get penalized.
Agress, the qualifying race was just that... punch a ticket for the regionals and she shouldn't be penalized for that and the 5,000m collegiate record in a race that doesn't count towards qualifying should easily negate the "ticket punch" race at Wake.
Just further highlights Bowerman doesn't account for any differences between sprinting and distance. It will be very hard for any distance runner to win.
Its the same with the number of conference titles. The scheduling and the distances involved make doubling at conference impractical. The 1500 and 5000 finals are too close together, and running the 10000/5000 risks needlessly wearing out the athlete before nationals. Also you have team considerations.
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