He may have been referring to distances > 1500/mile.
If we’re considering 1500/mile, in recent times I would throw out the names of Cooper Teare, Anass Essayi (both had faster miles than Hocker), Eliud Kipsang, Yared Nuguse, Sam Tanner, Josh Kerr, & Fouad Messaoudi (all had faster 1500s than Hocker in college)
Those are all men, men and women develop at different rates. I can't think of any women other than Simpson in the US.
The issue is that no college distance runner can run at a world class level anymore with the possible exception of the steeple chase, whereas high school and college sprinters have and still do. There is a reason for this, but it is the reality. If you cannot win the Bowerman with multiple ncaa titles and four ncaa records, then no distance runner is likely ever going to win it again. Btw, always thought Tuohy would make a heck of a steeple chaser.
In the Simpson v touhy points thread, there was some joking as to which event kt would add to match Simpson. I'm not serious here, but working off 8:35 3k flat, with pretty good athleticism and pain threshold, it wouldn't be shocking if she was NCAA competitive in steeple. I think the only way we'd ever see this is if kt stays in school a lot longer.
We have our answer now though with her entry in acc 10k.
You're right on distance and Bowerman, but who knows another Ryan, Webb, Cain, Simpson, Nuguse or Mu could always come along to put a collegiate at the US team level. Heck Tuohy has a longshot chance to make US teams in '23 & '24.
Her biggest challenge to win the Bowerman is that her competition in sprints, hurdles and jumps are already at world class level. Touhy although setting college marks is only at a national level. Not really Tuohy's fault, as it's more a reflection of where US distance running is vs the world. That said when Barrringer won the Bowerman, she not only ran records, but made a USA team in the steeple and competed on world stage.
TheStrideReport guys talk about this specifically on their latest podcast. (Tuohy portion starts around 15:11).
After yet another weekend with an NCAA record falling, the guys are back to break it all down! This week, Ben and Garrett dive into yet another historic Kate...
Her biggest challenge to win the Bowerman is that her competition in sprints, hurdles and jumps are already at world class level. Touhy although setting college marks is only at a national level. Not really Tuohy's fault, as it's more a reflection of where US distance running is vs the world. That said when Barrringer won the Bowerman, she not only ran records, but made a USA team in the steeple and competed on world stage.
TheStrideReport guys talk about this specifically on their latest podcast. (Tuohy portion starts around 15:11).
Well it is hard to match that type of natural, god given talent. :)
There is not such a thing as "God given" anything. Don't come here with dumb beliefs and religion. It was mercury that gave them talent? If God existed it wouldn't care. God doesn't exist, or is dead or is senile and doesn't care at all. Genetics and evolution are already a much better explanation.
Oh I see, others did use the term…though your fit about a common use of natural talent is totally uncalled for. KT has been identified as a natural since she was 12. Deal with it or you will incur the wrath of the majority here. ENOUGH!!
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