I guess when you a married to a particular political party you would see it that way?
Do you consider it an insult to Republicans that they have not nor ever have put forth any legislation to improve welfare in a way that would strengthen the Black family?
Your 2nd question brings to mind the old schoolboy challenge to his rival ... "Does your Mom know you're gay?"
Does she?
That insult cut a little too close to the bone for you we see 😏
Tell me what you know and imagine about “black family structure” in this country for the 450 odd years prior to the last 60.
Anybody who thinks (as some have said above) that the welfare state or democrats or any other institution of modern America is the root of these situations is ignorant.
I’d suggest that the institution of slavery, where families were literally torn apart, marketed like cows in the town square and sold up the river was more detrimental to ANY family structure in this country than modern policy or ideology.
Couple that with the trauma inflicted on the individual lives of slaves and you’re absolutely crazy if you think the outcome of that was ever going to yield some healthy nurturing loving family structure. The generational flow of that sh** will last centuries.
Sorry, but history refutes you: circa 1960 (when direct abortion was rare), the out-of-wedlock birth rate for blacks in the USA was about 20% whereas today (when direct abortion is common) it is about 72%. So in 1960, which was 63 years less removed from slavery in the US, black families were much stronger (by the measure of out-of-wedlock births) than they are 63 years further removed.
History hasn’t refuted anything.
There’s an awful lot more fo “family structure” than “out of wedlock birth rates” and single parent homes. If anybody thinks 400 years of institutionalized slavery and brutality created loving nurturing healthy family home lives for enslave people you’re downright crazy.
Tell me what kind of home life do you think a young child grows up when his or her parents are whipped and brutalized, demoralized and abused daily? If you think daddy came home from the cotton fields and provided a healthy family life for his children you’re an idiot.
Tell me what you know and imagine about “black family structure” in this country for the 450 odd years prior to the last 60.
Anybody who thinks (as some have said above) that the welfare state or democrats or any other institution of modern America is the root of these situations is ignorant.
I’d suggest that the institution of slavery, where families were literally torn apart, marketed like cows in the town square and sold up the river was more detrimental to ANY family structure in this country than modern policy or ideology.
Couple that with the trauma inflicted on the individual lives of slaves and you’re absolutely crazy if you think the outcome of that was ever going to yield some healthy nurturing loving family structure. The generational flow of that sh** will last centuries.
Can you back anything you're saying with statistics? Read Black Rednecks and White Liberals and see what you think. The stats of single-parenthood rates in the black population before and after the Great Society programs show an interesting trend. While the black population was less materially wealthy during periods of slavery and Jim Crow, it wasn't until LBJ's Great Society that we saw the rise in broken black families and rates of crime offenses that led to the urban degradation we see today. This has been confirmed by black intellectuals who've actually lived long enough to see the cultural changes, it's not just a bunch of white supremacists playing revisionist history.
You’re reducing family structure to simply numbers of adults in the home.
What kind of home life did the typical slave family endure, do you suppose, given how we know they were typically treated daily by slaveowners?
There is simply no way the average person comes out of a situation like that and does well trying to parent their child or couple with a partner.
The flow on from institutionalized slavery and Jim Crow will permeate the culture for centuries. There is simply no way around that, even with the absolute best policy and support anybody can provide.
Can you back anything you're saying with statistics? Read Black Rednecks and White Liberals and see what you think. The stats of single-parenthood rates in the black population before and after the Great Society programs show an interesting trend. While the black population was less materially wealthy during periods of slavery and Jim Crow, it wasn't until LBJ's Great Society that we saw the rise in broken black families and rates of crime offenses that led to the urban degradation we see today. This has been confirmed by black intellectuals who've actually lived long enough to see the cultural changes, it's not just a bunch of white supremacists playing revisionist history.
You’re reducing family structure to simply numbers of adults in the home.
What kind of home life did the typical slave family endure, do you suppose, given how we know they were typically treated daily by slaveowners?
There is simply no way the average person comes out of a situation like that and does well trying to parent their child or couple with a partner.
The flow on from institutionalized slavery and Jim Crow will permeate the culture for centuries. There is simply no way around that, even with the absolute best policy and support anybody can provide.
Jesus Christ...
Just when you think people can't get any dumber this gem shows up.
People in 2023 are having relationship problems because of slavery over 150 years ago.. LOL!!!
The African-American family was doing almost as well as everyone else in 1950. How insane do you have to be to think the single motherhood rate went from 20% to 80% between 1950 and today because of slavery...
White Americans are the only people in human history scared of their own history.But then if I had their history,I would be scared too.Too much evil,too many atrocities to answer for.
Their past is like the old adage, he who lives by the sword, well,etc.
Can you back anything you're saying with statistics? Read Black Rednecks and White Liberals and see what you think. The stats of single-parenthood rates in the black population before and after the Great Society programs show an interesting trend. While the black population was less materially wealthy during periods of slavery and Jim Crow, it wasn't until LBJ's Great Society that we saw the rise in broken black families and rates of crime offenses that led to the urban degradation we see today. This has been confirmed by black intellectuals who've actually lived long enough to see the cultural changes, it's not just a bunch of white supremacists playing revisionist history.
You’re reducing family structure to simply numbers of adults in the home.
What kind of home life did the typical slave family endure, do you suppose, given how we know they were typically treated daily by slaveowners?
There is simply no way the average person comes out of a situation like that and does well trying to parent their child or couple with a partner.
The flow on from institutionalized slavery and Jim Crow will permeate the culture for centuries. There is simply no way around that, even with the absolute best policy and support anybody can provide.
2023 (this year) - 1865 (when slavery ended in the USA) = 158 years. That's a long time, more than 1.5 centuries. Someone provided statistics on out-of-wedlock birth rates that indicated black families in the USA were stronger circa 1960 than today, yet you continued to blame slavery even though, by the out-of-wedlock measure, black families have worsened over the last 63 years despite being the much further removed from slavery. A reasonable conclusion is that something other than slavery accounted for this worsening, but you argued that the out-of-wedlock metric is not a good indicator of family strength and offered no other measure.
J. D. Unwin in Sex & Culture (1934) reported his findings from his study of some 80 tribes in 6 civilizations over 6,000 years of history. Note the date - 1934 - before the culture wars that arose in the USA anyway by the 1960s (a few claim the 1940s). Unwin concluded that pre-marital chastity (the out-of-wedlock birth rate is a measure of pre-marital chastity (it's much tougher to measure marital chastity)) is the key to unlocking cultural flourishing.
You’re reducing family structure to simply numbers of adults in the home.
What kind of home life did the typical slave family endure, do you suppose, given how we know they were typically treated daily by slaveowners?
There is simply no way the average person comes out of a situation like that and does well trying to parent their child or couple with a partner.
The flow on from institutionalized slavery and Jim Crow will permeate the culture for centuries. There is simply no way around that, even with the absolute best policy and support anybody can provide.
Jesus Christ...
Just when you think people can't get any dumber this gem shows up.
People in 2023 are having relationship problems because of slavery over 150 years ago.. LOL!!!
The African-American family was doing almost as well as everyone else in 1950. How insane do you have to be to think the single motherhood rate went from 20% to 80% between 1950 and today because of slavery...
You’re right .. 150 years. It’s a few generations. And you think abuse and demoralization and the horror of things just ended at the end of the Civil War? It was over and black folks walk off the plantations and into a good job and a nice home and a picket fence?
You think Jim Crow didn’t play a role in this? You think the complete lack of Civil Rights and the most basic of human decency impacted black life not at all?
”the African-American family was doing almost as well as everyone else in 1950”?
This may be the single dumbest thing ever written on LRC.
You’re reducing family structure to simply numbers of adults in the home.
What kind of home life did the typical slave family endure, do you suppose, given how we know they were typically treated daily by slaveowners?
There is simply no way the average person comes out of a situation like that and does well trying to parent their child or couple with a partner.
The flow on from institutionalized slavery and Jim Crow will permeate the culture for centuries. There is simply no way around that, even with the absolute best policy and support anybody can provide.
2023 (this year) - 1865 (when slavery ended in the USA) = 158 years. That's a long time, more than 1.5 centuries. Someone provided statistics on out-of-wedlock birth rates that indicated black families in the USA were stronger circa 1960 than today, yet you continued to blame slavery even though, by the out-of-wedlock measure, black families have worsened over the last 63 years despite being the much further removed from slavery. A reasonable conclusion is that something other than slavery accounted for this worsening, but you argued that the out-of-wedlock metric is not a good indicator of family strength and offered no other measure.
J. D. Unwin in Sex & Culture (1934) reported his findings from his study of some 80 tribes in 6 civilizations over 6,000 years of history. Note the date - 1934 - before the culture wars that arose in the USA anyway by the 1960s (a few claim the 1940s). Unwin concluded that pre-marital chastity (the out-of-wedlock birth rate is a measure of pre-marital chastity (it's much tougher to measure marital chastity)) is the key to unlocking cultural flourishing.
See above. it’s not a long time at all for the ripple effects of that to dissolve. Life just doesn’t work like that.
Tell me, what kind of parents do you think slavery shaped? Or do you believe the Kunta-Disneyesque version?
Abused people typically abuse people.
You dont think the atrocity of Jim Crow and shaped anything?
Remember that when the founders of South African apartheid looked for models to base their version of things on they looked at the American South and said “that’s a bit extreme”.
I think many people seem to way underestimate the extent of the atrocity enacted in the US has been. Probably because they don’t learn anything more than the narrative the offered by those people who were the offenders.
2023 (this year) - 1865 (when slavery ended in the USA) = 158 years. That's a long time, more than 1.5 centuries. Someone provided statistics on out-of-wedlock birth rates that indicated black families in the USA were stronger circa 1960 than today, yet you continued to blame slavery even though, by the out-of-wedlock measure, black families have worsened over the last 63 years despite being the much further removed from slavery. A reasonable conclusion is that something other than slavery accounted for this worsening, but you argued that the out-of-wedlock metric is not a good indicator of family strength and offered no other measure.
J. D. Unwin in Sex & Culture (1934) reported his findings from his study of some 80 tribes in 6 civilizations over 6,000 years of history. Note the date - 1934 - before the culture wars that arose in the USA anyway by the 1960s (a few claim the 1940s). Unwin concluded that pre-marital chastity (the out-of-wedlock birth rate is a measure of pre-marital chastity (it's much tougher to measure marital chastity)) is the key to unlocking cultural flourishing.
See above. it’s not a long time at all for the ripple effects of that to dissolve. Life just doesn’t work like that.
Tell me, what kind of parents do you think slavery shaped? Or do you believe the Kunta-Disneyesque version?
Abused people typically abuse people.
You dont think the atrocity of Jim Crow and shaped anything?
Remember that when the founders of South African apartheid looked for models to base their version of things on they looked at the American South and said “that’s a bit extreme”.
I think many people seem to way underestimate the extent of the atrocity enacted in the US has been. Probably because they don’t learn anything more than the narrative the offered by those people who were the offenders.
I’m done.
What accounts for the worsening of the out-of-wedlock birth rate among black families in the USA since 1960, (1) slavery and anti-black discrimination or (2) something else? wtfunny keeps blaming slavery and anti-black discrimination, which is nonsensical, since slavery in the USA ended 158 years ago and anti-black discrimination diminished over the last 63 years.
Dunbar high school did better than most white high schools. It was segregated and it wasn’t rich, but the parents actually cared about their children’s education.
When it opened up to everyone (no selectivity), it went downhill.