Seth Demoor is BACK baby

Forget the fancy measuring tools! SJD should just place the shoe on a kitchen scale. If it weighs more than 7.5 ounces in his dainty size 7, then it's complete crap and you should avoid it. He could probably "review" five or more pairs a vlog in this manner.

His "durability predictions" are great though: Does one run in a shoe and tells you it will last for 600 miles easy.

Any shoe will last 600 miles when you weigh 75 pounds and shuffle around at 9 minute pace.

And no shoe will last you more than 300 miles when you’re 175 lbs and yeet yourself around anywhere from 3:00-8:00 pace.

;(

In all seriousness though, I never gave much thought to how unrealistic predicting a shoes durability after 50 miles is.

I used to refer to SJDs shoe reviews whenever I got new running shoes until I realized that our difference in physiology and training makes them 110% useless. I also feel like him along with many other running shoe review channels are very biased against Nike unless it has zoomX in it.

Lmao, these SJD parodies are killing me. Keep em coming. He seems like a decent guy, but needs to re-think his shoe review stuff as they are doing more harm than good.

In fact he should go ahead and say hobby joggers vastly overestimate the importance of shoes vs. the importance of consistent training. But his Running Warehouse sponsors would not like that.

hey dont be mean!.................. he also twists the shoe from side to side

Forreal dude releases a shoe review on alternating days to his vlogs mostly. where does he find the time to trial these? snake oil salesman.

The durability prediction is the one area of his reviews that I felt like was at least a little less subjective than the others. I can look at the rubber and midsole creasing on my different shoes after 50-100 miles and tell whether or not they’ll hold up for 500+ miles. I’m sure he also takes the previous iterations durability into account as well. Plenty of folks out there getting 500+ miles out of their Pegasus, brooks ghost, etc.

the rest of the scoring process, other than price, is quite subjective. Although, I have seen him try to rationalize why he gave a mediocre shoe with a high price point a good score, so even then he can leave you scratching your head.

I’ve also seen him give a shoe a bad initial review because it was a shoe meant for racing or faster workouts and he used it as an easy day shoe. Completely useless vlog to review a speed day shoe after you plodded along at 9:00/mile in it.

For road shoe reviews I much prefer FOD Runner and Eddbud on YT. Eddbud has, let’s say, a unique style, but he’s taller and more relatable than 95-120 lbs runners reviewing shoes. FOD is competent runner.

I agree with that. I’ll tune into Believe in the Run as well for their review. They have 2-4 people who run in the shoes who are different skill levels and builds so I feel like you get a good mix of perspectives.

Oh man, don't even get me started. That s*** is out of control these days.

You guys ever go to the runningshoegeeks subreddit? If you click on some of those people's profiles, they have legit problems. They can't stop buying shoes. They spend literally thousands of dollars so they can keep their mega rotations, always adding in the latest and greatest carbon racers, but then you scroll through their profile and see posts about running 10mpw or how they finally broke an hour in the 5K thanks to their Endorphin Speeds. There are lots of factors at play here, but over the last few years these running shoe companies have just made a killing on these fools.

Bringing it back to Seth, youtube reviewers pumping out marketing is one of those factors, and he's definitely created this culture within DGR as well. Most of the posts on facebook are about gear acquisitions and showing off their shoes. Honestly if you take a step back, his channel is just pure consumerism. It's more about selling you stuff than it is about running, training, or his family. If you stop and look--I know he tries to distract you with coffee and eggs--it's just a constant barrage of throwing products in your face. He wants you to buy them, and he wants his cut from advertising it to you.

Where can I buy some black NB split cuts with failed stitching and the banding hanging off? That's a hot lewk! Clearly the enhanced ventilation helps you float up mountains. MUST BUY! MUST EAT EGGS! MUST HAVE MORE COFFEE!

Agree with a lot of what you said but people have been buying and collecting shoes for a long time. Ever seen how much people spend on a pair of Jordan’s or AF1s? It’s insane the amount of money people spend to collect shoes. I guess at least with running shoes, people are actually running in them.

Not to switch gears, but if you have ever watched his videos of him actually running. Has anyone ever noticed his bob as much as it does? Just an observation. A coach would probably notice something like that and help get it fixed.

Should say his “head bob”.

When you put all your "eggs" in one basket, namely supporting yourself and big family via being a "running vlogger" then you are beholden. I don't care how much you say you aren't. Selling couch to 5kers on the idea of needing a shoe rotation, needing special socks and hats, retiring $200 shoes after 400 miles is what Seth sells and companies love it. Access to his viewers and perhaps some pumping from Seth is the game. So far I still trust when Seth raves about a product that he basically means it. So far that is. After the Zegama thing I'm a bit wary TBH.

As long as he's not taking $$ to secretly promote a product, like say KT Tape we been seeing alot of or God forbid Bobo Bars then I understand that's the game. Paid endorsement's must be disclosed for Integrity's sake.

There's the Hobby, the Passion of Running and there's the Running Industry, not exactly the same thing. Turning a Runner into a gear head is what the Industry needs. I like my gear too, don't get me wrong, but it's a constant temptation.

Oh yeah, I know people are addicted to buying sneakers. I mean, I guess at least there's a market that they can re-sell them to some other idiot down the line though. Not my kind of investment strategy, but still.

You don't really get that with the running shoe version of it. You have the same addiction to buying shoes, but that's it. A New Balance Rebel v2 isn't a collector's item. So, you say at least they run in them. But some of these people... Yeah, technically they run in them... But they'll have only put like 20 miles on them before they're onto the next thing that catches their attention. Then they just wind up with a pile of shoes in their closet that are only good for arranging in neat little patterns to post photos online. And it's magnified by the fact that people think they need a rotation now, so they do the same thing multiple times over because they need a recovery shoe, a daily trainer, a speed day shoe, and a racing shoe. When the only running they do is a jog around the block. Crazy stuff, man. And Connor from Running Warehouse is just laughing his way to the bank. Nah just kidding, that guy's alright. :P

He knows just enough about shoes to be dangerous. But is obsession with weight for daily trainers is comical. Of course he is a very small person. But he just randomly says 8.5 or 7.8 on a whim. And then he says, "huh, I'm surprised it isn't higher"... It's his score.

I think so too. I’d never buy a pair of shoes because any YouTuber said it was good. Shoes are so individual that what one person works for them, doesn’t mean it will work for you. I loved the Saucony endorphin speed, but have met quite a few folks who hated the shoe. He likes to seem like an authority on the matter and even talks about one day wanting to design his own running shoe. Certainly a bit of hubris mixed in there.

There's a group of British guys on YouTube called The Run Testers who are pretty good.