They Destroyed a Russian Figure Skater

Alber2 wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Then you should go looking for answers if it matters that much to you. It doesn't to me.

But the poor narcissist mind has to respond to everything, doesn't it?
Insult after insult like the insecure bully he is :)

Get reaall wrote:

Alber2 wrote:

But the poor narcissist mind has to respond to everything, doesn't it?
Insult after insult like the insecure bully he is :)

I agree that Armstrong is a bully.

I have seen he threatens to kill posters and posts vile racist insults.

If anyone should be banned it is Armstrong.

Bound4Glory wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

There's naive. And then there's plain dumb.

I've read enough of these threads to know the insults start when the other side can't intelligently argue their beliefs. I guess you didn't like when we debunked the Russian state-wide doping theory: they would have chose an endurance athlete, not a figure skater.

Here's how you should have responded. Even though the massive state-wide doping program is gone, the individual doctors and trainers still exist. One of them somehow got close to Kamila, turned her onto PEDs, and chose TMZ for some obscure reason. If she was doping, that's the most likely scenario I can think of.

Bound4Glory wrote:

OH...TX wrote:

But Russian athletes and coaches are clearly clean, because they spent so much time doping in the past.

Here's how it works in every other situation. If you're a bank robber, and the Feds put you under surveillance, you don't rob banks. If you're a shoplifter, and security is tracking your every move, you don't shoplift. If you're a card cheater, and the pit boss is standing right behind you, you don't cheat.

Do you really think the Russians would not have changed their behavior in response to being banned from international competition for eight years?

Bound4Glory wrote:

OH...TX wrote:

But Russian athletes and coaches are clearly clean, because they spent so much time doping in the past.

Here's how it works in every other situation. If you're a bank robber, and the Feds put you under surveillance, you don't rob banks. If you're a shoplifter, and security is tracking your every move, you don't shoplift. If you're a card cheater, and the pit boss is standing right behind you, you don't cheat.

Do you really think the Russians would not have changed their behavior in response to being banned from international competition for eight years?

Armstronglivs wrote:

Bound4Glory wrote:

Here's how it works in every other situation. If you're a bank robber, and the Feds put you under surveillance, you don't rob banks. If you're a shoplifter, and security is tracking your every move, you don't shoplift. If you're a card cheater, and the pit boss is standing right behind you, you don't cheat.

Do you really think the Russians would not have changed their behavior in response to being banned from international competition for eight years?

Poor analogies. Most cases of doping are never caught. They aren't under constant "surveillance". If there was compelling evidence Russia had changed its rotten ways it wouldn't still be banned.

OH...TX wrote:

I do not think that the Soviets have ever stopped trying to run a state sponsored doping program. Sometimes they are just too poor and drunk to do it effectively.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Bound4Glory wrote:

I've read enough of these threads to know the insults start when the other side can't intelligently argue their beliefs. I guess you didn't like when we debunked the Russian state-wide doping theory: they would have chose an endurance athlete, not a figure skater.

Here's how you should have responded. Even though the massive state-wide doping program is gone, the individual doctors and trainers still exist. One of them somehow got close to Kamila, turned her onto PEDs, and chose TMZ for some obscure reason. If she was doping, that's the most likely scenario I can think of.

You haven't debunked anything - merely spouted your opinions. You don't know the "massive state-wide doping program" has gone. If it had then Russia wouldn't still be banned. But keep defending the Motherland, by all means.

Get reaall wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

You haven't debunked anything - merely spouted your opinions. You don't know the "massive state-wide doping program" has gone. If it had then Russia wouldn't still be banned. But keep defending the Motherland, by all means.

Read why they were banned and the punishment issued.That they are still banned is not due to current drug use.

Bound4Glory wrote:

OH...TX wrote:

I do not think that the Soviets have ever stopped trying to run a state sponsored doping program. Sometimes they are just too poor and drunk to do it effectively.

So Russia sent 200 athletes and not a single one tested positive at the Olympic Games. Do you have any evidence they are still running the state sponsored doping program?

pupil3142 wrote:

no improvements in this thread?

ill leave armstronglivs in charge then.

Get reaall wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Poor analogies. Most cases of doping are never caught. They aren't under constant "surveillance". If there was compelling evidence Russia had changed its rotten ways it wouldn't still be banned.

The ban was set sometime ago for the earlier offences and has nothing to do with any recent matters.Your last sentence is remarkably illinformed.

AIU look to the ANA athletes closely.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Get reaall wrote:

The ban was set sometime ago for the earlier offences and has nothing to do with any recent matters.Your last sentence is remarkably illinformed.

AIU look to the ANA athletes closely.

Recent matters include a Russian minor testing positive.

pupil3142 wrote:

no improvements in this thread?

ill leave armstronglivs in charge then.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Get reaall wrote:

Read why they were banned and the punishment issued.That they are still banned is not due to current drug use.

So the worst doping nation on the planet has miraculously cleaned up its act and become a model of virtue? The IOC is unconvinced. As are the Ukrainians.

Bound4Glory wrote:

OH...TX wrote:

I do not think that the Soviets have ever stopped trying to run a state sponsored doping program. Sometimes they are just too poor and drunk to do it effectively.

So Russia sent 200 athletes and not a single one tested positive at the Olympic Games. Do you have any evidence they are still running the state sponsored doping program?