Turtleb wrote:
Harambe wrote:
Anyway, you've agreed before that vaccines work. Why not be happy they've saved 1 million lives?
(Not who you were replying to)
The thing is covid has been around about 2 years and the vaccines about 1 year.
In year 1 there were about 400k deaths and year 2 about 400k deaths.
So is the argument that without the vaccines there would be 1.4 million in year 2?
Quite a coincidence that the Indian variant exactly compensates for the vaccines.
I say Indian variant because India didn't have any vaccines when it went through
their population. Deaths were maybe 50% higher than the first wave. India apparently
had something that was almost as good as the vaccine. Or maybe the vaccines
have been, and still are, being over sold.
You are very dumb and I suspect you understand this about yourself. Arguing using yearly death total without correcting for number of cases even is just so hilariously confounded I'm not sure where to start.
Delta is much, much more transmissible. Look at cases, test positivity, and deaths in June before Delta. Vaccines had basically clobbered COVID. Delta changed that and infected a TON of antivaxxers who thought they could freeload off everyone else. Many of them died.
The vaccines obviously work against death and severe disease. There have been countless (literally) studies posted on these forms: RCTs and observational data at the national, state, and county level that all show the unvaccinated dying at >10X the rate of the unvaxxed in the USA.
The argument is yes, without vaccines hundreds of thousands to a million + more Americans would have died of COVID. Given the massive levels of infection over the last year, this is not surprising.
I pray that you are simply trolling otherwise the argument you've made above suggests a rather difficult life for you ahead.