Cornell University (100% vaccination mandated) SHUTS DOWN campus due to coronavirus

2600 bro wrote:

Covidiocy wrote:

Exactly! He’s lucky though, because Omicron will do what these leaky vaccines couldn’t do.

Omicron will function as a booster for those than are not boosted, it will confer average-to-poor immunity for the naive and it will kill a lot of people!

The vaccines will continue to protect against severe disease and death with virtually zero risk.

Only the truly stupid would choose the former, but we have established this already.

It's amusing watching you lash out with your insults. You can't even get "dumb" people to do what you say which says more about your incompetence than anything else.

vaxxers killing democracy wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

Omicron will function as a booster for those than are not boosted, it will confer average-to-poor immunity for the naive and it will kill a lot of people!

The vaccines will continue to protect against severe disease and death with virtually zero risk.

Only the truly stupid would choose the former, but we have established this already.

It's amusing watching you lash out with your insults. You can't even get "dumb" people to do what you say which says more about your incompetence than anything else.

Im not trying to get anyone to do what I say. People have freedom to be stupid and make dumb choices. I just enjoy judging them online and making sure those lurking the thread know the balance of power.

Eventually the unvaccinated will be a devastatingly small minority - many are dying, but most are simply not dumb enough to remain unvaccinated. Most people are good. Believe in the future of humanity.

Harambe wrote:

Anyway, you've agreed before that vaccines work. Why not be happy they've saved 1 million lives?

(Not who you were replying to)

The thing is covid has been around about 2 years and the vaccines about 1 year.

In year 1 there were about 400k deaths and year 2 about 400k deaths.

So is the argument that without the vaccines there would be 1.4 million in year 2?

Quite a coincidence that the Indian variant exactly compensates for the vaccines.

I say Indian variant because India didn't have any vaccines when it went through

their population. Deaths were maybe 50% higher than the first wave. India apparently

had something that was almost as good as the vaccine. Or maybe the vaccines

have been, and still are, being over sold.

Turtleb wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Anyway, you've agreed before that vaccines work. Why not be happy they've saved 1 million lives?

(Not who you were replying to)

The thing is covid has been around about 2 years and the vaccines about 1 year.

In year 1 there were about 400k deaths and year 2 about 400k deaths.

So is the argument that without the vaccines there would be 1.4 million in year 2?

Quite a coincidence that the Indian variant exactly compensates for the vaccines.

I say Indian variant because India didn't have any vaccines when it went through

their population. Deaths were maybe 50% higher than the first wave. India apparently

had something that was almost as good as the vaccine. Or maybe the vaccines

have been, and still are, being over sold.

1) The winter wave in early 2021 was devastating. I am unsure when your "one year" or "pre-vaccine" cutoff point is, but you shouldnt include Jan-Mar 2021.

2) Delta was way more infectious (2-3X)! It infected and killed way more people!

2600 bro wrote:

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

It is very evident now that the newer strains are evading the old vaccines. This is what should be expected. You are still pushing the old ineffective vaccines. Yes, there were effective but not so much any more and definitely not in another half year. Dangerous misinformation you are pushing.

Can you show any evidence the vaccines are no longer effective against severe disease and death?

The death rate for the unvaccinated has been 15-20X higher than the vaccinated for the past 2 months in the USA.

What do you make of significantly higher reinfection rates with Omicron (infection driven immunity is no longer very protective against infection?

https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1470148521613410306?s=20

Omicron is not that deadly. Immunity to old strains obtained in any form is not going to be that beneficial any more. Fortunately it does not seem to matter. Boosting with jabs of an old vax is not going to help except for maybe the very old who are otherwise healthy. Pushing boosters for everyone is just dumb and dangerous; no number of twitter posts you come up with will change this. Give it up and go away.

2600 bro wrote:

vaxxers killing democracy wrote:

It's amusing watching you lash out with your insults. You can't even get "dumb" people to do what you say which says more about your incompetence than anything else.

Im not trying to get anyone to do what I say. People have freedom to be stupid and make dumb choices. I just enjoy judging them online and making sure those lurking the thread know the balance of power.

Eventually the unvaccinated will be a devastatingly small minority - many are dying, but most are simply not dumb enough to remain unvaccinated. Most people are good. Believe in the future of humanity.

Sounds like something someone would say that has no power or influence in real life or online.

Keep your head up, you still have all those imaginary lurkers out there that think you're a genius. Lol

Let's stay on topic here.

The vaccine saved so many lives that Cornell University had to shut down campus.

Caleb's Hat wrote:

Let's stay on topic here.

The vaccine saved so many lives that Cornell University had to shut down campus.

Correct.

Hardloper wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Cheering COVID spread and, undoubtedly, another wave of mass death among the unvaxxed in the USA.

Borderline psychopathic.

No wave of deaths in South Africa yet

I hope it infects everyone with a mild cold so they give up on trying to "slow the spread"

SA has a young population and high levels of prior infection. The US has an old, co-morbid population with far less immunity from infection.

I hope Omicron is truly far milder than previous variants, but I would bet that it's simply breaking through a lot of vaccine and infection-driven immunity thus far, making it seem far milder. For seronegative people... like the unvaxxed in the US... I wouldn't be complacent.

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

Omicron is not that deadly. Immunity to old strains obtained in any form is not going to be that beneficial any more. Fortunately it does not seem to matter. Boosting with jabs of an old vax is not going to help except for maybe the very old who are otherwise healthy. Pushing boosters for everyone is just dumb and dangerous; no number of twitter posts you come up with will change this. Give it up and go away.

We don't really have good data on the absolute 'deadliness' of Omicron thus far. There are some suggestive early reports that it could be milder. E.g. I saw a number 29% less severe cases in SA. 29% is great but cutting a massive wave of Omicron rolling over the unvaxxed is still gonna leave a lot of very sick people!

If there was data that showed Omicron caused like 8X less severe cases, then yeah, now we are talking.

Omicron might be less deadly but for a place with a large population of old and unvaxxed people you need a BIG modifier on 'deadliness' to remove concern.

Anyway lots of good preliminary data that 3 doses works much better than 2 against both mild and severe disease from Omicron. So you're just wrong. The vax does work.

Caleb's Hat wrote:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/14/us/cornell-university-covid-cases/index.html?utm_term=link&utm_source=twcnnbrk&utm_medium=social&utm_content=2021-12-14T19%3A42%3A47

This is why you don't trust libs when they say "If everyone just got vaccinated, we could end all restrictions!"

Libs WILL. NOT. let it end until they are all voted out.

I'm glad you said restrictions.

The only advantage of the vaccination is to hopefully prevent the most serious consequences. If yo don't mask and distance it will be passed around.

Turtleb wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Anyway, you've agreed before that vaccines work. Why not be happy they've saved 1 million lives?

(Not who you were replying to)

The thing is covid has been around about 2 years and the vaccines about 1 year.

In year 1 there were about 400k deaths and year 2 about 400k deaths.

So is the argument that without the vaccines there would be 1.4 million in year 2?

Quite a coincidence that the Indian variant exactly compensates for the vaccines.

I say Indian variant because India didn't have any vaccines when it went through

their population. Deaths were maybe 50% higher than the first wave. India apparently

had something that was almost as good as the vaccine. Or maybe the vaccines

have been, and still are, being over sold.

You are very dumb and I suspect you understand this about yourself. Arguing using yearly death total without correcting for number of cases even is just so hilariously confounded I'm not sure where to start.

Delta is much, much more transmissible. Look at cases, test positivity, and deaths in June before Delta. Vaccines had basically clobbered COVID. Delta changed that and infected a TON of antivaxxers who thought they could freeload off everyone else. Many of them died.

The vaccines obviously work against death and severe disease. There have been countless (literally) studies posted on these forms: RCTs and observational data at the national, state, and county level that all show the unvaccinated dying at >10X the rate of the unvaxxed in the USA.

The argument is yes, without vaccines hundreds of thousands to a million + more Americans would have died of COVID. Given the massive levels of infection over the last year, this is not surprising.

I pray that you are simply trolling otherwise the argument you've made above suggests a rather difficult life for you ahead.

ronko wrote:

How stupid are you? If everyone (in the world, not at the university) had been vaccinated in a timely manner we wouldn’t have variants. Why is this so hard for Republicans to understand?

Do you really not understand the impossibility of the task of vaccinating people in third-world countries like India or countries with almost no infrastructure like Africa in any near-term timeline? The variants haven't even come from the US. Even if everyone in the US were vaccinated the virus is not going away. It took the US about 5 months to have the vaccine accessible to all, it was even longer in many European countries and Canada. Now multiply that problem by like 100 in Africa and also factor in corrupt leaders who don't care about anything but enriching themselves. The geopolitical issues that make irradicating COVID possible will not be resolved for centuries if ever. I'm sorry reality does not fit in with your narrow worldview.

Harambe wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

No wave of deaths in South Africa yet

I hope it infects everyone with a mild cold so they give up on trying to "slow the spread"

SA has a young population and high levels of prior infection. The US has an old, co-morbid population with far less immunity from infection.

I hope Omicron is truly far milder than previous variants, but I would bet that it's simply breaking through a lot of vaccine and infection-driven immunity thus far, making it seem far milder. For seronegative people... like the unvaxxed in the US... I wouldn't be complacent.

So push your jabs on older and co-morbid people.

No youth

No recovered

Early treatment

Omicron will be the booster for the seropositive, which is a huge percentage of the population now.

Damn good idea to increase vit D3, vit C, quercetin, elemental zinc, perhaps some natural killer cell-enhancing mushrooms (both absolute numbers and NK cytotoxicity). You know, the basics.

You and 2600 can get your fourth boost and take your Paxlovid.

Easy button. Cornell is fukking stupid. But predictable liberals.

Exactly, not to mention natural animal reservoirs. Also, non-sterilizing antibodies can enhance infection and put selective pressure on the virus to mutate into a resistant strain. I’m not saying this has happened and I’m not saying it hasn’t happened.

Covidiocy wrote:

So push your jabs on older and co-morbid people.

No youth

No recovered

Early treatment

Omicron will be the booster for the seropositive, which is a huge percentage of the population now.

Damn good idea to increase vit D3, vit C, quercetin, elemental zinc, perhaps some natural killer cell-enhancing mushrooms (both absolute numbers and NK cytotoxicity). You know, the basics.

You and 2600 can get your fourth boost and take your Paxlovid.

Easy button. Cornell is fukking stupid. But predictable liberals.

Recovered have rather poor immunity against Omicron relative to 3 doses, we've been over this. Likely moreso if they are old and/or vulnerable.

Delta was supposed be amazingly immunizing according to your explanations a few months ago -- that totally failed. The 'natural immunity' experiment has failed.

Your alternative of juicing people up with random vitamins, drugs that have failed clinical trials, and supplements is simply quackery. Common quackery, but still quackery.

Hilarious, of course, that the best looking 'early treatment' according to, you know, RCTs (as evil as I'm sure you think they are) you are already disparaging. Paxlovid is going to save the lives of 10k's of people who thought taking quercetin and snorting mushrooms was enough. At least their naturopath can buy another boat because of their idiocy.

P.S. Yes we are vaccinating the young. The data supports it. That's what we listen to, not something trying to sell us a supplement course.

2600 bro wrote:

vaxxers killing democracy wrote:

It's amusing watching you lash out with your insults. You can't even get "dumb" people to do what you say which says more about your incompetence than anything else.

Im not trying to get anyone to do what I say. People have freedom to be stupid and make dumb choices. I just enjoy judging them online and making sure those lurking the thread know the balance of power.

Eventually the unvaccinated will be a devastatingly small minority - many are dying, but most are simply not dumb enough to remain unvaccinated. Most people are good. Believe in the future of humanity.

Poor choices?? Like deciding that you are Liberal. Tool.

Harambe wrote:

Recovered have rather poor immunity against Omicron relative to 3 doses, we've been over this. Likely moreso if they are old and/or vulnerable.

Sorry, have to BS on this until I see you provide some serious data supporting how you came up with this one. This would be completely unprecedented related to Covid.

Not to mention as far as I had heard as of yesterday only one person had died of Omicron in the US. So when you say rather poor immunity I have no idea what metric you are using. Chance of getting infected with symptoms, chance of hospitalization, chance of death? Those are 3 very different things and should be treated as such.

ronko wrote:

How stupid are you? If everyone (in the world, not at the university) had been vaccinated in a timely manner we wouldn’t have variants. Why is this so hard for Republicans to understand?

Omicron is the first variant to be identified AFTER vaccines were distributed. Soo...you're wrong.