SDSU is not a power 5 school
SDSU is not a power 5 school
Why doesn't this guy get a college job at $150k instead of HS job at $5k?
birdbeard wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Some of you guys are obsessed with the effects of coaching but the NP kids would just as good at hundreds of other HSs. Their coach won the lottery twice to have such talented sets of brothers run there.
Do you really believe that? You think that a lot of coaches could score 16 points in the biggest division in the biggest state just because of the talent?
No chance. Brosnan seems like a huge douche but clearly has the coaching elements right.
Bellarmine (Coached by Terry Ward) could have in 85-87.
zcvxcxzv wrote:
Give credit where it's due, even if the credit is going to a guy who is personally and politically a tool.
I've watched a few video interviews with Bronson and could see why people find him difficult personally (although I didn't necessarily or can sort of see through some of the bravado), but what do you mean "politically"? I don't know too much about him beyond the basics. What's he done or said?
Tougher than running wrote:
Why doesn't this guy get a college job at $150k instead of HS job at $5k?
*Every collegiate coach who isn't the Director of Track & Field at a top Power 5 school just laughed and took another drink.
Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:
I'm still amazed that so few are mentioning the shoe factor when listing these kids times compared to past time. ESPECIALLY ROJO!
Minimum 15-20 seconds right? That kiiiinda changes the discussion, doesn't it? I mean, y'all are aware of the new shoe technologies and improved energy return right? Ring a bell anyone? You've heard of them?
Once again, while not as big of a difference, comparing times of today vs yesteryear is like comparing swimming times of the new full bodysuit era vs past times or cycling times on modern bikes vs ones done on older ones. This can't be ignored.
Sadly one should just not compare to the past anymore. Only compare to the present.
They weren't in "super shoes" so this is irrelevant. The runners are just that good.
Here are my thoughts about Coach Brosnan: Whether you've decided that he's passionate and enthusiastic or just a narcissistic douche is besides the point. He's there and this is the program he has. Are there h.s. coaches as good or even better? Probably. There's no doubt that he's picked the brains of a lot of good coaches and has a pretty good understanding of coaching principles. But so have a lot of other coaches. As he says you need both the administration of the school and the parents to buy into what he's doing so in that sense he's ahead of many other schools.
Someone mentioned that NPHS has open enrollment, so if true that's a huge advantage. But don't private and parochial schools have that similar advantage, except that you have to qualify academically and have the $ to pay for tuition. Once the success of the program becomes apparent the desire to attend NPHS from outside the school boundaries increases. But being a cheerleader for his program is part of what a coach is supposed to do beyond just monitoring the runners' workouts. So I can't fault Brosnan for that. If kids and their parents now want to attend NPHS due to the success of the program I have to give Brosnan credit.
Few, if any, national caliber high school cross country programs rely solely on coaches simply calling for tryouts without also doing a lot of communicating with the community, with grade schools and junior high schools, etc. One positive result from what Brosnan is done is that more coaches will be interested in implementing some of the things he's doing and according to Brosnan there are already a number of coaches nationwide that he speaks with regularly. So that sounds like something that will raise the bar for high school runners in different places, not just at NPHS.
Most P5 schools have a director earning $250k, two assistants earning $125k, and a few more earning $70k.
I don't know the man but at the meet Saturday he went out of his way to come over and shake my hand and say congrats to my team and that's something to me.
blue 7 wrote:
Here are my thoughts about Coach Brosnan: Whether you've decided that he's passionate and enthusiastic or just a narcissistic douche is besides the point. He's there and this is the program he has. Are there h.s. coaches as good or even better? Probably. There's no doubt that he's picked the brains of a lot of good coaches and has a pretty good understanding of coaching principles. But so have a lot of other coaches. As he says you need both the administration of the school and the parents to buy into what he's doing so in that sense he's ahead of many other schools.
Someone mentioned that NPHS has open enrollment, so if true that's a huge advantage. But don't private and parochial schools have that similar advantage, except that you have to qualify academically and have the $ to pay for tuition. Once the success of the program becomes apparent the desire to attend NPHS from outside the school boundaries increases. But being a cheerleader for his program is part of what a coach is supposed to do beyond just monitoring the runners' workouts. So I can't fault Brosnan for that. If kids and their parents now want to attend NPHS due to the success of the program I have to give Brosnan credit.
Few, if any, national caliber high school cross country programs rely solely on coaches simply calling for tryouts without also doing a lot of communicating with the community, with grade schools and junior high schools, etc. One positive result from what Brosnan is done is that more coaches will be interested in implementing some of the things he's doing and according to Brosnan there are already a number of coaches nationwide that he speaks with regularly. So that sounds like something that will raise the bar for high school runners in different places, not just at NPHS.
That’s a very fair assessment. Two issues that seem to be the sticking point.
If kids are coming to the school because they and their parents choose to, without influence from him or people in his program (parents, coaches, runners, etc), that’s fine, but not what’s happening.
Arrogance that he’s solely responsible for building the success without acknowledgement that he hit the jackpot with a massive influx of talent.
Shady ethics and arrogance is a good combo to ruffle feathers with peers.
Trumps boyfriend wrote:
blue 7 wrote:
Here are my thoughts about Coach Brosnan: Whether you've decided that he's passionate and enthusiastic or just a narcissistic douche is besides the point. He's there and this is the program he has. Are there h.s. coaches as good or even better? Probably. There's no doubt that he's picked the brains of a lot of good coaches and has a pretty good understanding of coaching principles. But so have a lot of other coaches. As he says you need both the administration of the school and the parents to buy into what he's doing so in that sense he's ahead of many other schools.
Someone mentioned that NPHS has open enrollment, so if true that's a huge advantage. But don't private and parochial schools have that similar advantage, except that you have to qualify academically and have the $ to pay for tuition. Once the success of the program becomes apparent the desire to attend NPHS from outside the school boundaries increases. But being a cheerleader for his program is part of what a coach is supposed to do beyond just monitoring the runners' workouts. So I can't fault Brosnan for that. If kids and their parents now want to attend NPHS due to the success of the program I have to give Brosnan credit.
Few, if any, national caliber high school cross country programs rely solely on coaches simply calling for tryouts without also doing a lot of communicating with the community, with grade schools and junior high schools, etc. One positive result from what Brosnan is done is that more coaches will be interested in implementing some of the things he's doing and according to Brosnan there are already a number of coaches nationwide that he speaks with regularly. So that sounds like something that will raise the bar for high school runners in different places, not just at NPHS.
That’s a very fair assessment. Two issues that seem to be the sticking point.
If kids are coming to the school because they and their parents choose to, without influence from him or people in his program (parents, coaches, runners, etc), that’s fine, but not what’s happening.
Arrogance that he’s solely responsible for building the success without acknowledgement that he hit the jackpot with a massive influx of talent.
Shady ethics and arrogance is a good combo to ruffle feathers with peers.
The combination of the above is a solid summary. Some really good stuff going on there with energy, focus, high level training and an annoying and polarizing personality.
There isn't a long list of coaches that have the coaching knowledge along with the desire to put in the energy in high school. In most adults view, it's just not worth that level of commitment.
He may be absolutely maximizing the talent of the kids on the team, but the building blocks he's starting with is really remarkable. Perusing Athletic.net, here is some history of his top 8 runners before coming to Newbury Park.
Lex Young ran for the Camarillo Cosmos since he was 7 years old and had PB's 2:14 (800), 4:26 (1500), 4:45 (1600), 10:09 (3200).
Leo Young ran for the Camarillo Cosmos since he was 7 years old and had PB's of 2:13 (800), 4:55(1600), and 10:37 (3200)
Colin Sahlman ran for the Camarillo Cosmos since he was 9 years old and had PB's of 2:13 (800), 4:48 (1600) and 10:51 (3200)
Aaron Sahlman ran for the Camarillo Cosmos since he was 9 years old and had PB's of 2:11 (800), 4:46 (1600) and 10:44 (3200)
Daniel Appleford ran for the Newbury Park Track Club since he was 7 years old and had PB's of 2:15 (800), 4:52 (1600) and 10:54 (3200)
Hector Martinez ran for the Pacific Coast Shock Waves, Santa Clarita Track Club and Valley United Track Club since he was 9 years old and had PB's of 2:14 (800), 4:20 (1500) and 9:23 (3000).
Aaron Cantu ran for the Santa Clarita Valley Athletic Association and Pacific Coast Shockwaves since he was 7 years old and had PB's of 2:12 (800), 4:27 (1500) and 9:36 (3000)
Dev Doshi ran for the Newbury Park Track Club and Calfornia Condors since he was 6 years old and has PB's of 2:18 (800) and 5:00 (1600), but looks like that was in his 7th grade season as his is 8th grade season was missing (probably COVID).
I'm sure most coaches wouldn't mind working with those kids as a starting point. They're really fast and based on running from such a young age, have parents that are very supportive.
Holy CR@P!!! I'm really jealous. If I had one of those kids on my team every four years, I'd be so stoked!
Aladdin wrote:
Holy CR@P!!! I'm really jealous. If I had one of those kids on my team every four years, I'd be so stoked!
no kidding - in 20 years I have only had 3 boys that were sub 6 in the mile before joining my HS program.
masters runner from the CO wrote:
Aladdin wrote:
Holy CR@P!!! I'm really jealous. If I had one of those kids on my team every four years, I'd be so stoked!
no kidding - in 20 years I have only had 3 boys that were sub 6 in the mile before joining my HS program.
Yes, those are good times. But not crazy times. For example Keegan Smith ran 4:25 for the 1600m in 2021 (grade 8)
Levi Jackson ran 4:22 in grade 8 in 2019. Every year, there are dozens of middle school kids that run sub 4:40
But yes, of course, you don’t get to be the best HS of all time by starting out with one kid who runs a 5:55 mile in middle school and 4 other kids who never ran in their lives before entering HS.
Yes, they seem to have a very good feeder program.
No doubt coach Brosnan and his many program supporters have done an amazing job building the NP distance team into a national powerhouse in just five years. And yet, don't lose sight of the fact that the mathematical odds of having two sets of historically great siblings on one team at one time is literally somewhere in the many millions. Roughly 270,000 boys run XC each year in the U.S., representing roughly 9,400 secondary schools (Athletic.Net), and that of course includes thousands of sibling and twin combinations. Yet in the entire history of U.S. high school distance running, you would be hard pressed to find a faster sibling duo than Colin Sahlman (senior) and his younger brother Aaron (junior). By the time their prep careers are done, they could realistically produce 4:02/4:02 and 8:38/8:42 PRs, for hypothetical examples, based on their times last year and this cross-country season. And yet! They would not even be the best sibling combo on their OWN TEAM, given that Leo and twin Lex Young may end up racing, say, close to the same mile times and yet superior 2 mile clockings (older brother Nico could have very well have raced two miles in at least 8:35 during a non-COVID outdoor senior season, based on his indoor prep record of 7:56.97 in the 3k). Running performance, as with any endeavor, results from a complex combination of genetics and environmental factors including coaching, but in this unique Newbury Park case, genetics plays an exceptional factor.
chjjjbjkk wrote:
masters runner from the CO wrote:
no kidding - in 20 years I have only had 3 boys that were sub 6 in the mile before joining my HS program.
Yes, those are good times. But not crazy times. For example Keegan Smith ran 4:25 for the 1600m in 2021 (grade 8)
Levi Jackson ran 4:22 in grade 8 in 2019. Every year, there are dozens of middle school kids that run sub 4:40
But yes, of course, you don’t get to be the best HS of all time by starting out with one kid who runs a 5:55 mile in middle school and 4 other kids who never ran in their lives before entering HS.
Yes, they seem to have a very good feeder program.
So, they have 8 of the best “dozens” in the entire country on the same team? That’s not un-freakin-believable in your eyes?
What? We get 1 or 2 sub 5 8th graders every year and probably 15 sub 6.
Ok, but their #5, #6 and #7 are also pretty good.
Their #5 and #6 would have been Great Oak #1
Trumps boyfriend wrote:[/
So, they have 8 of the best “dozens” in the entire country on the same team? That’s not un-freakin-believable in your eyes?
None of them were sub 4:40. But yes, all of them were sub 5
Bear Down wrote:
Trumps boyfriend wrote:
That’s a very fair assessment. Two issues that seem to be the sticking point.
If kids are coming to the school because they and their parents choose to, without influence from him or people in his program (parents, coaches, runners, etc), that’s fine, but not what’s happening.
Arrogance that he’s solely responsible for building the success without acknowledgement that he hit the jackpot with a massive influx of talent.
Shady ethics and arrogance is a good combo to ruffle feathers with peers.
The combination of the above is a solid summary. Some really good stuff going on there with energy, focus, high level training and an annoying and polarizing personality.
There isn't a long list of coaches that have the coaching knowledge along with the desire to put in the energy in high school. In most adults view, it's just not worth that level of commitment.
He may be absolutely maximizing the talent of the kids on the team, but the building blocks he's starting with is really remarkable. Perusing Athletic.net, here is some history of his top 8 runners before coming to Newbury Park.
Lex Young ran for the Camarillo Cosmos since he was 7 years old and had PB's 2:14 (800), 4:26 (1500), 4:45 (1600), 10:09 (3200).
Leo Young ran for the Camarillo Cosmos since he was 7 years old and had PB's of 2:13 (800), 4:55(1600), and 10:37 (3200)
Colin Sahlman ran for the Camarillo Cosmos since he was 9 years old and had PB's of 2:13 (800), 4:48 (1600) and 10:51 (3200)
Aaron Sahlman ran for the Camarillo Cosmos since he was 9 years old and had PB's of 2:11 (800), 4:46 (1600) and 10:44 (3200)
Daniel Appleford ran for the Newbury Park Track Club since he was 7 years old and had PB's of 2:15 (800), 4:52 (1600) and 10:54 (3200)
Hector Martinez ran for the Pacific Coast Shock Waves, Santa Clarita Track Club and Valley United Track Club since he was 9 years old and had PB's of 2:14 (800), 4:20 (1500) and 9:23 (3000).
Aaron Cantu ran for the Santa Clarita Valley Athletic Association and Pacific Coast Shockwaves since he was 7 years old and had PB's of 2:12 (800), 4:27 (1500) and 9:36 (3000)
Dev Doshi ran for the Newbury Park Track Club and Calfornia Condors since he was 6 years old and has PB's of 2:18 (800) and 5:00 (1600), but looks like that was in his 7th grade season as his is 8th grade season was missing (probably COVID).
I'm sure most coaches wouldn't mind working with those kids as a starting point. They're really fast and based on running from such a young age, have parents that are very supportive.
And Jim Ryun began his running career at age 15. The advantage from an early start before HS will last for about a year.