Why is Letsrun considered toxic?

calfshrug wrote:

Yes it’s not a determining factor of intelligence but it is amply shown to have a correlation with G

As poverty and lack of education also are - which some races and cultures experience more than others. None of that supports claims that some races are less intelligent than others.

who d'unbanned wrote:

you, from page 6: "So why is it not possible that there are differences in traits considered more cerebral? The answer is that it is possible..." "We live in a society where certain types of questions are not investigated by the academic elite because no one respectable cares to know the answers to them..."

No it's not because 'no one respectable' cares to know the answers to them. It's because it is bogus.

Neither race nor is scientifically well defined. I challenge you to show me a single peer-reviewed scientific article showing a lack of correlation between two terms neither of which respectable scientists use.

Instead of repeatedly insulting the poster, your argument would be better served by providing a reference to at least one peer-reviewed scientific paper that shows a lack of correlation between race and intelligence, two terms that no respectable scientist uses in their work because neither is quantifiable scientifically.

Your response earlier to my earlier request for a scientific reference for your “race has been discounted” claim was “Ha, ha, ha…”.

Armstronglivs wrote:

You are a bag of wind, with pretensions to intellect that you do not have.

So you want a peer-reviewed paper that the earth isn't flat - the equivalent of what you are asking for. You are an ignorant jerk posing as an intellectual. Racist theories about intelligence have long been scientifically discredited - but you haven't caught up with that yet. As I said earlier, the Nazis based their vile ideology on racial premises.To accede to your demand for scientific literature on this issue simply buys into your ignorance - or your prejudice. That I won't do.

well I just lie about my times :) I’m bringing the whole website down, I’m sorry. Did you know I’ve run a 5:34 5k 😎

Bad analogy. There’s plenty of peer-reviewed literature consistent with the near-spherical hypothesis for the earth and whose observations wouldn’t be possible if the earth were flat.

The way science works is that the onus to prove a claim is on the person making a claim. You are making a claim that there is no correlation. I’m just saying that that is not a scientifically proven fact. Science doesn’t even recognize race as a quantifiable thing. I know a thing or two about science, thank you.

Please stop insulting posters if you don’t have the evidence to back up your claims. That is toxic behavior.

So, based on my individual observations, it is pretty clear to me that what is *toxic* is the nature of the discourse on this site. I haven’t said anything at all about any poster, leave alone anything insulting, but I’ve been called a neo-Nazi, racist, ignorant, jerk, prejudiced, unable to comprehend English, etc.

Why? Because a few people couldn’t accept the fact that scientific literature has not shown that there is or there isn’t any correlation between race and intelligence. I come from a school of thought where it’s easiest to prove someone wrong with mathematical arguments, the scientific method, and/or data. It would be fairly easy to prove me wrong with a scientific reference, especially from the certainly very pro-science people who are attacking me.

It’s not necessary for me to prove a position of agnosticism because the way science works is that agnosticism is the null hypothesis. If one does suspect that there is a correlation in one direction or the other, the null hypothesis would be to assume zero correlation and show data indicating otherwise.

yes yes yes yes wrote:

FredFlintstone wrote:

See , I need an edit button 'cause I lack the patience and polish that comes with "white privilege".

Honkey not honey.

hey Fred, I mean Mr. Suburbia, don't sweat it, it's not any more comprehensible even with the correction.

That said, hooray for our side (whichever side your on).

I am on the side of independent thinkers, even if I am dumb, and the golden rule rocks. I am not on the side of cowards ,but the golden rule applies to them too.

You are the one making the claim (but are too stupid to realise that is what you have done) that there isn't an established scientific consensus about the role played - or not played - by race in determining intelligence. The onus is on you to prove that claim. You can't.

Empty waffle - like all of your posts. But underlying it is your specious justification for suggesting race may be a factor in intelligence, and that it is legitimate to say as much - even by whites to black people. You forget they have been saying that for aeons. That is the nature of racism. You have correctly identified yourself by your user name, except you misspelt it. There is no "o" on the end of "toxic".

Your posts suggest that you are simply unfamiliar with the scientific method. Or civilized discourse. Have a good day.

FredFlintstone wrote:

yes yes yes yes wrote:

hey Fred, I mean Mr. Suburbia, don't sweat it, it's not any more comprehensible even with the correction.

That said, hooray for our side (whichever side your on).

I am on the side of independent thinkers, even if I am dumb, and the golden rule rocks. I am not on the side of cowards ,but the golden rule applies to them too.

But is it not precisely the cowardly that are so very prone to deny others the benefit of the golden rule, because in so doing, they circumvent the burden of addressing the pertinent issues in favor of easier ad hominem attacks, for example? And in so doing, you grant them that which they would deny others?

Is an asymmetrical approach of that nature warranted or deserved in such cases? I mean, in the context of independent thinkers?

I hardly agree with anything "toxico" wrote. But in terms of the toxicity on this site, Lance fanboy is contributing to it as much as the other guy. ;)

I have personally grown to appreciate the toxicity of LRC. Where's there's toxicity, there's dissension. And that's exactly what we need right now in USA to counter the hoards of illiberal public school-educated dullards jumping off a cliff to satisfy asinine and irrational government demands.

toxico wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

You are the one making the claim (but are too stupid to realise that is what you have done) that there isn't an established scientific consensus about the role played - or not played - by race in determining intelligence. The onus is on you to prove that claim. You can't.

Your posts suggest that you are simply unfamiliar with the scientific method. Or civilized discourse. Have a good day.

I am familiar with the science that discredits race as a factor in intelligence. That in the guise of being "scientifically aware" or "open-minded" on this issue you are prepared to argue otherwise puts you in the camp of those who have often advanced this poisonous racial theory. There have been many such in history, including the Nazis - and not to mention its fine tradition in America with slavery, the Confederacy and then Jim Crow and segregation.

It is hard to believe that you think it is "scientific" in this era to argue any kind of racialism in intelligence, let alone that it is not supremely offensive for a white person to suggest racially-based theories of intelligence to a black person, given the history of your country. You are either unaware of the toxicity of your position on this, let alone its falsehood, or you are simply not what you have claimed to be, which is a black person.

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

I hardly agree with anything "toxico" wrote. But in terms of the toxicity on this site, Lance fanboy is contributing to it as much as the other guy. ;)

I take from that that you aren't offended and certainly don't see it as "toxic" for anyone to insistently argue here - as Toxic has done - that race may be a factor in intelligence. This is especially so when such false theories have long been advanced to historically subjugate black people in your country and around the world. I don't apologise for finding such views repellent.

The Letsrun mob is already responsible for one man's suicide.