Yeah I guess I'm being naive assuming byu will be right where they were 8 months ago, but aren't a bunch of the BYU runner's professional hopefuls? What do you guys think happened in the eight months were they just lucky to all be at their best at the same time last spring?
Anyway NC State looks good. Chmiel title contender, Tuohy super strong, Bush and Hayes looked like really solid potential 4 through 7, if Steel Man and everybody else stays healthy it sure looks like they have the numbers
The three Stanford freshmen in eligibility in the top 7 were impressive. Hicks and Sprout we knew were very good but the third guy, Ky Robinson of Australia? I see now that he was Stanford's third guy at NCAA XC in the winter, that he set the Stanford school record in the steeple with 8:32 and has also run 13:51. He has a xc best of 23:03 from last season, so I guess I just missed on him. Where was Callum Bolger, who is listed on the roster? And why was Liam Anderson not way up there?
Schumacher ran well in the other race and looks to challenge for a spot.
zxcvzxcv wrote:
The three Stanford freshmen in eligibility in the top 7 were impressive. Hicks and Sprout we knew were very good but the third guy, Ky Robinson of Australia? I see now that he was Stanford's third guy at NCAA XC in the winter, that he set the Stanford school record in the steeple with 8:32 and has also run 13:51. He has a xc best of 23:03 from last season, so I guess I just missed on him. Where was Callum Bolger, who is listed on the roster? And why was Liam Anderson not way up there?
Schumacher ran well in the other race and looks to challenge for a spot.
Anderson was something like 10th in "B" race
MidFootStriker wrote:
Yeah I guess I'm being naive assuming byu will be right where they were 8 months ago, but aren't a bunch of the BYU runner's professional hopefuls? What do you guys think happened in the eight months were they just lucky to all be at their best at the same time last spring?
Anyway NC State looks good. Chmiel title contender, Tuohy super strong, Bush and Hayes looked like really solid potential 4 through 7, if Steel Man and everybody else stays healthy it sure looks like they have the numbers
No, I still think IF Camp gets back to where she was the 2 teams are pretty close - unless somehow Clairemonte can run very close to Tuohy. In my opinion at this time no clear favorite.
I am also running some numbers to try to see how much better CO is than they looked before.
how possible wrote:
So, how does Olin Hacker still have eligibility?
Used a normal redshirt year to give him 5 years. Was granted a medical hardship to give him 6 years. Extra year of eligibility granted due to covid for 7th year this year.
even if starliper is healthy i doubt she could hang with chmiel and tuohy .. nc state is packed deep
Updated some numbers and assuming Nichols of CO = Steelman and inserting Clairmonte as NC States 4th I see very tight NC State, Colorado, New Mexico, BYU. NC State 1-5 looks wider now after 1st test on tough course, while CO and NM were both pretty tight today. This makes Covert of CO look way stronger than I would have thought, but that is what the numbers say. Not sure I see anyone from Nuttycombe today running 19:30 in Florida, but maybe I am wrong there. CO ran well at OSU earlier as well.
so much talk on dudek ranking way up versus tuohy and now what ...
lmao
Jake Scrum wrote:
From what I understand NC State was using this race as a trial of sorts to see who would suit up in the 4-7 spots going into championship season. Steelman and Clairmonte held out and Shaw is coming back from a minor thing. Starliper will not race this XC season.
Starliper is not out of the picture! You got some bad sources or your guessing. She is not out for the season
MidFootStriker wrote:
Yeah I guess I'm being naive assuming byu will be right where they were 8 months ago, but aren't a bunch of the BYU runner's professional hopefuls? What do you guys think happened in the eight months were they just lucky to all be at their best at the same time last spring?
Anyway NC State looks good. Chmiel title contender, Tuohy super strong, Bush and Hayes looked like really solid potential 4 through 7, if Steel Man and everybody else stays healthy it sure looks like they have the numbers
That’s the spirit MidFootStriker! Lol
semihaze wrote:
so much talk on dudek ranking way up versus tuohy and now what ...
lmao
Never understood the Dudek hype.
What made her odds any better than other recent Foot Locker / NXN champs to expect to be top five at NCAA XC right away?
7empest wrote:
MidFootStriker wrote:
Yeah I guess I'm being naive assuming byu will be right where they were 8 months ago, but aren't a bunch of the BYU runner's professional hopefuls? What do you guys think happened in the eight months were they just lucky to all be at their best at the same time last spring?
Anyway NC State looks good. Chmiel title contender, Tuohy super strong, Bush and Hayes looked like really solid potential 4 through 7, if Steel Man and everybody else stays healthy it sure looks like they have the numbers
That’s the spirit MidFootStriker! Lol
hey, it took he or she or they (whatever is preferred) to come around.....but I respect someone who is willing to change.
Parade rainer wrote:
semihaze wrote:
so much talk on dudek ranking way up versus tuohy and now what ...
lmao
Never understood the Dudek hype.
What made her odds any better than other recent Foot Locker / NXN champs to expect to be top five at NCAA XC right away?
She was running well in January/February but must have overdone it. She had to sit for a while and probably (hopefully) they have eased her back into training some. She will be good someday, but to expect that right now is asking a lot.
Lacctic rankings after today's races
1 15:47 NC State
2 15:53 BYU
3 15:53 Colorado
4 15:55 New Mexico
1 15:25 Mercy Chelangat
2 15:29 Whittni Orton
3 15:35 Taylor Roe
4 15:35 Bethany Hasz
5 15:36 Hannah Steelman
6 15:40 Jenna Magness
7 15:41 Emily Covert
8 15:41 Abby Nichols
9 15:43 Katelyn Tuohy
10 15:43 Lauren Gregory
11 15:44 Kelsey Chmiel
12 15:45 Alison Pray
It is very hard to come back quickly from an injury. Look I thought people were overhyping Dudek based on one excellent FL race. Instead of just saying she is a very promising runner who had a great senior season they wanted to put her on the all decade high school XC team for pete's sake. But that aside Dudek just needs to stay healthy and she will be fine. On the female side there is a big developmental gap in distance running between runners in their teens and runners who are 21 and older. The current defending XC champion is 24 years old for example. For female NCAA distance runners in the 18-20 age group what matters is staying healthy and thinking long term. Take each race as it comes and be ready for a bad day. Don't be too ambitious or impatient. Make damn sure you eat properly and maybe sacrifice a bit of short-term speed for health.
Parade rainer wrote:
semihaze wrote:
so much talk on dudek ranking way up versus tuohy and now what ...
lmao
Never understood the Dudek hype.
What made her odds any better than other recent Foot Locker / NXN champs to expect to be top five at NCAA XC right away?
same way they feel about marlee starliper dude
im tired of hearing their names on every tuohy related thread, theres always people saying how they are better and will crush tuohy and always ranked ahead of tuohy on their lists
but the last 2 races that dudek and tuohy was up against each other, tuohy has been the stronger runner, and dudek always falling behind after 4k (twice already) starliper cant even get healthy and keeps getting injured, time away from running doesnt make you faster
katelyn has been the one killin it, backed with her races and numbers..tuohy is running phenomenally good given the fact that shes got knee surgery a year ago.. katelyn ran faster than most last year just months off her surgery and not even fully fit.. solid numbers last year
and now shes a top national runner.. based on her race results, she keeps improving and cutting time, also learned how to run tactically
her run earlier at nuttycomb was so solid, she did not give it her all by the looks of how she finished .. still got plenty on the tank
we all know theres a freakin healthy competition w kelsey, kt will def run all out on acc xc championships and kelsey is the one to beat coz hannah has not been running like how she should
hannah steelman needs to get back to her of form if she wants nc state to win natties .. also clairmonte and shaw if they want to be on the scoring team
katelyn tuohy is very consistent, her progress is so good (shes worked so hard quietly during the summer) dude i cant wait for her to run indoor and break records
semihaze wrote:
we all know theres a freakin healthy competition w kelsey, kt will def run all out on acc xc championships and kelsey is the one to beat coz hannah has not been running like how she should
hannah steelman needs to get back to her of form if she wants nc state to win natties .. also clairmonte and shaw if they want to be on the scoring team
What on earth are you talking about.
At Notre Dame, Steelman finished 8.4 sec behind Chimel, and just ahead of Tuohy (who. was 9.1 sec behind Chimel). Today, Tuohy finished 8.2 sec behind Chimel.
Park ave wrote:
semihaze wrote:
we all know theres a freakin healthy competition w kelsey, kt will def run all out on acc xc championships and kelsey is the one to beat coz hannah has not been running like how she should
hannah steelman needs to get back to her of form if she wants nc state to win natties .. also clairmonte and shaw if they want to be on the scoring team
What on earth are you talking about.
At Notre Dame, Steelman finished 8.4 sec behind Chimel, and just ahead of Tuohy (who. was 9.1 sec behind Chimel). Today, Tuohy finished 8.2 sec behind Chimel.
If you have been watching nc state, hannah steelman is actually the second best runner on the team last year and should be the best runner on the team now but she seem to be not on her usual self, steelman just finished 0.7 second ahead of tuohy last race and tuohy beat chmiel in their season opener, their assitant coach said that kt and kelsey is their 1-2 punch and they run together
i have nothing against hannah, i love her shes very friendly and is a good teammate.. but i expect a lot from her as a senior, she should be leading, but shes i cutting her times already which is really good, meanwhile shaw and clairmonte still not back on their top game