Not really beyond belief that someone who had Covid-19 and has the antibodies for it wouldn't be nervous about heading to Japan without the vaccine. Especially when you consider that kid is a 20 year old from Trump country. But it's honestly nbd if he's had it.
What are the dates on those quotes? Lol. They've literally dedicated months and tons of resources to encouraging people to get vaccinated.
There are a lot of idiots on this messageboard, but you, sir, win the award for Idiot of the Day.
You hope he skipped vaccines for diseases that could make him sick or kill him?
Well blacks are still not getting vaccinated as a result of their comments. They should be held accountable. Many people pay attention during an election and then they live their lives. And they have never recalled their earlier comments or explained them.
That's the only reason not to get vaccinated - he has "some" immunity - though not as much as if he were vaccinated.
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This is completely wrong. If Hocker has had the virus he is at least as well protected as a vaccinated person. And possibly better protected. There is zero risk to be reinfected iwhen you have first had the virus.
Whereas there are many "breakthrough" cases where vaccinated people get the virus and even die from it.
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Rick Cheney wrote:
To be fair; immunity from infection is good for about three months compared to immunity from vaccination which is still being studied. I know several family members who have been infected twice. The first one a perfectly healthy 54 year old who ended up with a pulmonary embolism and a long stay in the ICU. But I understand compassion is not your forte.
I have not seen three months. I have instead seen at least six months for the majority of people who got COVID. There are always exceptions, but that is of course true for the vaccines as well. Section on this in here:
https://theconversation.com/delta-variant-makes-it-even-more-important-to-get-a-covid-19-vaccine-even-if-youve-already-had-the-coronavirus-164203If Cole hadn't gotten COVID I'd say he's being an idiot, but since he had it and the way Japan is not affording special privileges to vaccinated folks, it seems like there's little practical or medical reason to get the vax. He can get it in August after he races.
I am personally confirmed at 6 mos and counting, after infection. There are thousands of cases of vaccinated people getting the virus, it doesn't stop you from getting the virus or transmitting it. It reduces the risk of more critical cases. This is true of the vaccine and natural immunity.
Between the natural immunity and age Hocker has legitimate rational to choose against the vaccination.
TLWutt wrote:
Smart guy. Even more of a fan now.
+1000
Vince Matthews Fan wrote:
Wow, kind of beyond belief that someone would choose not to be vaccinated but be part of a team, workout with others, travel and participate in the Olympics, where Covid is rising and affecting the public. Some sort of personal choice about his own health and training???
Hopefully, he saw fit to skip all those other vaccines that cut into his freedom and training - measles, chicken pox, polio, hepatitis, etc. - and refused to put that seat tray up when instructed on the flight! Luckily, he'll probably never know if he was an asymptomatic carrier, or how many others he endangered. Still, he's running well, and will have that USA on his singlet, so might as well cheer for him, right!?
He tested positive for COVID in the recent past and presumably isolated and didn't put others at risk. In Tokyo he will be subject to daily testing so as soon as it pops up he will definitely know he is an asymptomatic carrier. In addition, the rules in place are pretty tight.
You're acting like he's a regular Joe making some reckless decision when he's a 19-year old who already had COVID and likely was advised by a doctor to not get the vaccine until 90 days after his COVID test. That is the standard timetable. With that being the case if that put him into June, July or August for his first shot it's pretty understandable why he'd wait until after his competition to start his series.
Phil Ken Sebben wrote:
I... shouldn't take the President and Vice President at their word? Not a single person either took their vaccine-critical statements verbatim nor are people skeptical of the complete reversal in rhetoric and signaling mere months later when they assumed power?
Their word was concern that President Trump would ram through a vaccine without proper clinical trials and the proper process. And to their point he regularly railed against the time it took for the process to take place, and claimed it was politically motivated to do proper trials and let the FDA do its job. I mean the guy claimed COVID would go away like a miracle do you think he'd have any qualms claiming an ineffective or unsafe vaccine should be taken by everyone. Hold my hydroxychloroquine if so.
Anti-vaxxers now are NOT people who are impacted by Joe Biden and Kamala Harris' statements from months ago. Please.
Mattyc wrote:
Well you can see that Cole is a very selfish runner in that he does not help with the pace in races. Having said that, it is more smart than selfish bit certainly selfish too.
Is it selfish for our S head President to let hundreds of thousands of unvaccinated people over the border?
If people want to get vaccinated or not as Tucker Carlson says, It Is Their Body And Their Choice.
[quote]average letsrunnner wrote:
Actually, he could easily catch COVID and spread it to someone else, as a silent or minimally-symptomatic carrier. That person could become very sick, or be shut out of competition due to a positive test.
Is there any evidence at all that people with no symptoms have passed on this virus to someone who gets very sick from that?
Dr. Fowchi wrote:
Well blacks are still not getting vaccinated as a result of their comments. They should be held accountable. Many people pay attention during an election and then they live their lives. And they have never recalled their earlier comments or explained them.
You can't back up these statements:
"as a result of their comments" There is no proof of causation here. Nor is any context provided for these statements.
"never recalled their earlier comments or explained them" This one is laughable. They literally spent the first several months of their term advocating for people to get vaccinated.
I'm really not interested in defending this administration, but it's hard not to when their detractors are coming from a place of such sheer stupidity.
Does he even have the Qualifier?
douglas burke wrote:
If people want to get vaccinated or not as Tucker Carlson says, It Is Their Body And Their Choice.
Is Tucker a big pro-abortion choice guy too?
Old "loop-hole" hocker strikes again.
dude who has a man-bun makes poor decisions ? you don't say.
objectiveobserver wrote:
That's the only reason not to get vaccinated - he has "some" immunity - though not as much as if he were vaccinated.
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This is completely wrong. If Hocker has had the virus he is at least as well protected as a vaccinated person. And possibly better protected. There is zero risk to be reinfected iwhen you have first had the virus.
Whereas there are many "breakthrough" cases where vaccinated people get the virus and even die from it.
Pretty much just straight up wrong on all counts.
There's well documented cases of reinfection. Just look at Manaus:
https://www.thelancet.com/article/S0140-6736(21)00183-5/fulltextKobbs Hessler wrote:
Good for him. He is the least susceptible person on planet. The risk from vaccine harm is greater than the risk of him contracting Covid. Yeah, he made that decision. His body, his choice.
Exactly!!
Nuge wrote:
Rooting less for him now.
The ‘I had covid’ story is as patent as the Houlihan burrito story.
Be an adult get vaccinated.
Getting Vaccinated has nothing to do with being an adult, you're just an idiot.
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
You're making a bad-faith argument if you think Kamal Harris and Joe Biden had a major impact on vaccine hesitancy. There's no way anyone actually believes that.
Whether we like it or not, bad leadership has consequences. The bad leadership here is that public officials have been manipulative. In this example, Biden and Harris attempted to undermine the public’s trust in the vaccine simply because they wanted to win an election against a man who was spearheading the rapid creation of a much-needed vaccine. They then flipped the narrative when they won the election and have now been accusing idiot republicans (and Facebook) as being the sole cause of the protraction of the pandemic because of republicans playing politics with vaccine hesitancy and misinformation. The consequences of all this is that many people have lost trust in public officials. And just as Harris/Biden implicitly encouraged resistance to a vaccine that was soon to be encouraged by a republican president, foolish people have adopted the strategy to undermine the democrats’ mission to vaccinate the population with that same vaccine.
I think it would restore trust in public officials if they just came forward and admitted some accountability in the political rivalry that has led to foolish vaccine decisions. Do they not have the moral courage to fob this?