Jakob Ingebrigtsen Wins, Then Loses (Is Dqd), Then Wins Euro 1500 Title

Well, all done here.

Let's move on to the 3,000 final tomorrow.

Jakob for the gold again?

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GBR

ROWE Jack

7:51.00 7:54.35

IRL

TOBIN Seán

7:47.71 7:47.71

FRA

GRESSIER Jimmy

7:39.70 7:39.70

BEL

HENDRIX Robin

7:46.76 7:46.76

NOR

NORDÅS Narve Gilje

7:51.82 7:51.82

ESP

KATIR Mohamed

7:35.29 7:35.29

FRA

HAY Hugo

7:47.30 7:47.30

GBR

BUTCHART Andrew

7:40.85 7:40.85

BEL

KIMELI Isaac

7:44.17 7:44.17

NOR

INGEBRIGTSEN Jakob

7:49.52 7:49.52

ESP

MECHAAL Adel

7:40.14 7:46.52

GER

FEHR Marcel

7:48.06 7:48.06

JKT wrote:

Seems pretty clear hometown polish officials wanted the DQ

When elevated to the higher court iaaf/coe of course support team Inge

Stupid rule anyway ; better runner won and lewandowski handled with all class

The Dutch girl that got DQ is a joke

I agree with this. I don't think Jakob should have been DQd and that Dutch girl shouldn't have gotten DQd. Unless there's an advantage gained from stepping inside the lanes, it shouldn't matter.

For the 3k, I'm calling Jakob to win again. He was dominant in the 1500, and I don't think anyone in the 3k is on the same level as Lewandowski. I imagine Jakob will be more careful about stepping on the lines in this race though.

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

That's the difference between Jakob and other great runners in the past. Geb would have laughed this off and crushed the 3k.

Your take on his sporstmanship is a little harsh. You think Geb doesn't fight back?

I beg to differ.

birdbeard wrote:

glad the rescinded the DQ, that type of jostling is pretty normal in a race, as long as he didn't gain an advantage or f someone over i'm good with it

Grabbing someone's shirt and pushing them out of the way/lane is NOT normal.

Lewandowski isn't denying that Jakob was better that day. But he is incredibly upset about Jakob not getting a DQ when he broke the rules and should have.

The Polish federation never argued about Jakob taking a step outside the lane because he was pushed. They understand that. However, and they are 100% right in this, what they argue about is that Jakob pushed Ramzy's FIRST and grabbed him on his shirt FIRST without any reason other than trying to gain an advantage and passing in a place he shouldn't have been able to pass.

Jakob got nervous when he saw Lewandowski in the front and was afraid of being tucked in so did an aggressive move trying to get to the front that broke the rules.

Many people here had the same conclusion, it's not just me. And many also mentioned that this is a standard technique of the Ingebrigtsen's, always pushing others, cutting where they shouldn't, generally misbehaving and exhibiting unsportsmanlike behavior.

And of course the Polish runners are mad, they were being treated like garbage by European Athletics/IAAF/Coe and not taken seriously when they perfectly argued their side when they protested against the acceptance of Ingebrigtsen's appeal. Maybe they got discriminated because their English wasn't that good, or because the officials thought the DQ just happened in the first place because of hometown support or whatever. Talking about hometown support, this was supposed to be a full stadium with tens of thousands cheering for Lewandowski, instead he had to look at plastic faces of himself they put up in the audience as replacement for actual people who would have given him a big push..

So you're assuming you know Lewandowski's state of mind....

You're assuming you know Ingebrigtsen's state of mind....

You're assuming you know the "Polish runners" state of mind...

You're acting like you were in the room to hear the arguments made by the Polish federation (or read whatever written plea they submitted), and you conclude they "perfectly argued their side."

Come on man, your credibility is shot based on your prior posting history on this thread. Ridiculous assumptions.

I feel bad for Jakob. I thought that this would be a great learning experience for him before the Olympics. Now he has learned nothing. He tends to step inside the track and pushes very often. There never seems to be a consequence for him.

What if he does that again at the Olympics and then gets disqualified.

Better to learn your lesson at European indoor than at the Olympics

LRP you are so biased it is unreal. When Jacob said he isn't running 3000 you were mad and now when Lewandowski isnt running 3000 it makes sense because his feeling are hurt.

you're quite hot to trot on this

Kipchoge fan wrote:

LRP you are so biased it is unreal. When Jacob said he isn't running 3000 you were mad and now when Lewandowski isnt running 3000 it makes sense because his feeling are hurt.

By all indications, this is the Polish Federation holding him out in protest. I would think Lewandowki wants to run.

You know what they say about assuming.... wrote:

So you're assuming you know Lewandowski's state of mind....

You're assuming you know Ingebrigtsen's state of mind....

You're assuming you know the "Polish runners" state of mind...

You're acting like you were in the room to hear the arguments made by the Polish federation (or read whatever written plea they submitted), and you conclude they "perfectly argued their side."

Come on man, your credibility is shot based on your prior posting history on this thread. Ridiculous assumptions.

Everything has been covered in Polish newspapers and interviews. The mostly communicate in their own language, so you need to have a Polish friend translating for you.

I'll give you a translated post here:

"I am very angry about the decision of the European federation, which, however, decided that Ingebrigtsen should not be disqualified," Lewandowski tells us. - Jakob was better than me on the run and I even told him that at breakfast today. He also heard that I had nothing against him, but that the law should be the same for everyone. As you can see, they are equal and more equal.

The activists decided that although Ingebrigtsen had crossed the inner line of the track, which meant disqualification, his mistake was unintentional, because he was pushed by Michał Rozmys. That's why they awarded him gold. Poles protested this decision. However, the judges rejected our protest.

"It's sad because Jakob pushed Michael from behind first." He was the aggressor on the track. The judges had no doubts about taking the victory from him. And they were not judges from Poland. And then some committee challenged this decision. Either there are rules or they are not? I do not agree with this decision.

On Saturday, Lewandowski was supposed to run in the qualifying round for 3000 meters. However, he resigned from taking off. He explains this decision to us.

- Physically it's OK, but I had a sleepless night, a lot of stress. The mental burden associated with this decision of the judges, my anger at the activists, all of this made me quit my race. I am always at the forefront of the fight against doping, for fair competition, and activists do not follow the rules of fair play. Something is wrong here - adds Lewandowski.

Source:

I heard Lewandowski was up til 5am so I am not surprised he did not want to run 3k.

Source:

rmf24.pl/sport/news-zamieszanie-na-lekkoatletycznych-hme-lewandowski-jednak-bez-,nId,5090554

After the protest of the Norwegians, Jakob Ingebrigtsen was finally the indoor European champion in the 1500 m run" - said the Polish Athletics Association after midnight on Twitter. After 3:30am, however, Poles decided to protest and assert their rights.

We protested not about the Norwegian crossing the track, but about his grabbing the hand and jersey of Michał Rozmys. Unfortunately, it was rejected by the judges - said Tomasz Majewski, vice-president of PZLA.

PZLA sports director Krzysztof Kęcki emphasized that the judges understood the arguments of the Poles with understanding, analyzed the evidence and video recordings indicated by the Polish team.

Unfortunately, they did not change their decision, although they had all the reasons for this - stated Kęcki.

"The Norwegian was better, but he broke the rules"

Lewandowski, after receiving the silver medal, referred to the case.

Basically, I am very happy with this success anyway. I am happy with the race. The second place, however, tasted better after crossing the finish line than later, when I saw the reruns on TV. The Norwegian was better, but he broke the rules. Rules should apply to everyone, not just some. That's what I'm pissed off - pointed out popular Lewy.

He added that he had heard about blackmail from the Norwegians. If the gold had not been restored to their representative, he would have threatened to leave the championship and give up the 3000 m start.

As you can see, the blackmail seems to have been successful. It is known that he is a big name and a star of athletics. However, this is not what it should look like. Throughout the stress of this situation, I pulled something on my back and neck. This meant that this morning I was not able to fight in the qualifying round of 3000 m - said Lewandowski.

In an interview with TVP, the athlete stated that after such treatment by the activists, he would resign from the European Athletics Competition Commission.

Later, however, I talked about it with Sebastian Chmara. He asked me not to do it. It may actually be better to stay and fight for changes in the rules, and above all, equal treatment of all players. I said it to the eyes of the young Norwegian today. I admitted to him that he was better on the track, but there are rules that must apply to everyone. He violated them yesterday and this is not my opinion, but that of all the judges. However, the activists on the appeal committee knew theirs. It wasn't even a controversial situation, it was absolutely simple to assess. There should be a disqualification and that's it.

What on earth makes you think a polish media gives an unbiased representation of what's transpired?

There is no love lost between norwegians and poles in sport recently.

I guess it started with Kowalczyk in skiing, have continued with ski jumping recently..

(I'd like for FIS to evaluate polish judges refereeing of norwegian ski jumpers, it's ridiculous..), and continues now.

"blackmail from norwegians" my a**e...

Gjert have been very clear about the context of Jakob's "threat".

You can read it earlier in this thread.

No surprise the poles or you fail to take the context of the statement into consideration.

Budda wrote:

There is no love lost between norwegians and poles in sport recently.

I guess it started with Kowalczyk in skiing, have continued with ski jumping recently..

(I'd like for FIS to evaluate polish judges refereeing of norwegian ski jumpers, it's ridiculous..), and continues now.

"blackmail from norwegians" my a**e...

Gjert have been very clear about the context of Jakob's "threat".

You can read it earlier in this thread.

No surprise the poles or you fail to take the context of the statement into consideration.

Rewatch the race - Lewandowski was perfectly fine with 2nd place, congratulated Ingebrigtsen for a fair victory. If there is an issue between Norway and Poland it hasn't hit T&F or at least not these athletes yet.

After the race, Lewandowski starts watching videos of the race and finds out that Jakob grabbed Ramzys shirt and pushed him so he can get a shorter path. If there is someone in front of you, you are not supposed to push them further out of the track you are supposed to go around them. That's fair play. Jakob gets DQ'ed, and Lewandowski who experienced the same thing (DQ when he medaled) shared his sympathy for Jakob.

Until then, everything was fine. It's also the right of Norway to file an appeal. This is where the problem starts - the appeal should have never ever been granted. But the blackmailing and threat to lose the best 3000m runner in the main event of the Indoor championship was too big so Coe & co had to give in. Lewandowski realizes what's happening, doesn't understand the world anymore and feels treated like a piece of crap.

In sports being the better player/team matters only as long as you play by the rules. If Jakob was a real athlete, he would have voluntarily given up his Gold because this time there was no way he should have got it. Any other athlete would have not have had the power to overrule the holistic judgement of multiple judges (who were not Polish btw, they are from many different nations) like Jakob managed to do by elevating it to IAAF/Coe whose decision was affected by the threat of not running the 3000m.

The hard truth is:

Our dying sport needs its heroes and drama.

ER holder Ingebrigtsen is a hero of our sport and everyone else in that final is not. While Jakob is a medal contender for the olympics, Marcin will be happy to make finals. So dq'ing a clearly stronger runner for putting a foot outside would be just bad for our sport.

Also LRP, I can tell you never raced a fast indoors 1500m, because you have no idea of what rumble such an amount of fast runners going tightly together can cause. Everyone there is lucky that Jakob kept his balance there, it could have ended in 5-6 runners tumbling....

thanks for the translated articles, LRP.

I am still on the side of no dq. And at least 50% of the time in T&F, DQs are handed out for incidents that could easily be ignored.

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

[quote]birdbeard wrote:

glad the rescinded the DQ, that type of jostling is pretty normal in a race, as long as he didn't gain an advantage or f someone over i'm good with it

Grabbing someone's shirt and pushing them out of the way/lane is NOT normal.

Lewandowski isn't denying that Jakob was better that day. But he is incredibly upset about Jakob not getting a DQ when he broke the rules and should have.

The Polish federation never argued about Jakob taking a step outside the lane because he was pushed. They understand that. However, and they are 100% right in this, what they argue about is that Jakob pushed Ramzy's FIRST and grabbed him on his shirt FIRST without any reason other than trying to gain an advantage and passing in a place he shouldn't have been able to pass.

Jakob got nervous when he saw Lewandowski in the front and was afraid of being tucked in so did an aggressive move trying to get to the front that broke the rules.

What a fantasy world you are living in.

Wrong. Ramzy cut in without giving proper distance, so he's actually the one who might have been dq'd.

What race did you watch? Remzys cut Ingebrigtsenn off and leaned his shoulder in. Ingebrigtsen only grabbed to keep from falling.