How is Sweden doing with COVID-19 today?

We had 671k dead in WWII in nearly four years. In less than 8 months, we have 240,835 dead from COVID, and running over 1,100 per day during the week. There are over 1.2 million dead in the world from it. Sounds pretty significant to me.

zxczxcv wrote:

We had 671k dead in WWII in nearly four years. In less than 8 months, we have 240,835 dead from COVID, and running over 1,100 per day during the week. There are over 1.2 million dead in the world from it. Sounds pretty significant to me.

God why do people have to compare every single situation to WWII?

270,000 people died of a diabetes in 2017 - do you want to declare war on Sour Patch Kids & Big Macs as well?

KaareV wrote:

[ And in the weeks to come there will be more and more deaths in Sweden. It has started. 28 yesterday, 5 to day. And then more to morrow. For the time being. Sweden no good.

Sorry dude,

October 26 with 10 deaths is the only day with double digit deaths in more than three months.

The vast majority of days have less than 4 deaths.

[quote]energeticlotuseater wrote:

[quote]zxczxcv wrote:

We had 671k dead in WWII in nearly four years. In less than 8 months, we have 240,835 dead from COVID,

240,00 of whom would have been dead by the end of 2021 had here been no covid

Other guy wrote:

[quote]energeticlotuseater wrote:

[quote]zxczxcv wrote:

We had 671k dead in WWII in nearly four years. In less than 8 months, we have 240,835 dead from COVID,

240,00 of whom would have been dead by the end of 2021 had here been no covid

exactly.

Other guy wrote:

KaareV wrote:

[ And in the weeks to come there will be more and more deaths in Sweden. It has started. 28 yesterday, 5 to day. And then more to morrow. For the time being. Sweden no good.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

Sorry dude,

October 26 with 10 deaths is the only day with double digit deaths in more than three months.

The vast majority of days have less than 4 deaths.

Sorry dude, this week according to Folkhälsan/Swedish official Health Autorities - you are relying on Worldometer - and they try to keep up - 84 deaths, and then new report on Tuesday.

To day 20 deaths registered and 4697 infected. September 53 deaths, October 104 and this week 84. You are just ill informed. It is take off in Sweden now. And that is just sad.

Update Sweden. This week 84 new deaths. 20 registered to day. 4697 new infections. I do'nt like it myself, but Sweden is now in a problematic situation. Due to the reporting from the Swedish Health Authorities, they report next time on Tuesday. Will keep you informed.

In case others hadn't noticed, it's taking off everywhere in the Northern Hemisphere.

In the UK, cases have started falling before the lockdown btw (some places had some tiers imposed, but many places dropping without them). This highlights again, lockdowns aren't doing what people think they are.

This is not uncommon and the reason cases peak sometimes prior to additional mandated closures is that the govt actions are to slow. Peoples self preservation mechanisms have kicked in prior.

Now, look at countries having success. Korea, China, etc.. They don't wait for spread to get out of control. They don't wait for the populous to decide in fear of their life to hide, They mandate it be controlled right away.

investigator 1 wrote:

This is not uncommon and the reason cases peak sometimes prior to additional mandated closures is that the govt actions are to slow. Peoples self preservation mechanisms have kicked in prior.

Now, look at countries having success. Korea, China, etc.. They don't wait for spread to get out of control. They don't wait for the populous to decide in fear of their life to hide, They mandate it be controlled right away.

Those countries do what they do because they don't value freedom and never have. Their people are oppressed. you can't have it both ways.

OUr country is the world's greatest super power because we do things exactly the opposite of those places. You can't just flip that switch on and off whenever you want.

high school xc coach wrote:

investigator 1 wrote:

This is not uncommon and the reason cases peak sometimes prior to additional mandated closures is that the govt actions are to slow. Peoples self preservation mechanisms have kicked in prior.

Now, look at countries having success. Korea, China, etc.. They don't wait for spread to get out of control. They don't wait for the populous to decide in fear of their life to hide, They mandate it be controlled right away.

Those countries do what they do because they don't value freedom and never have. Their people are oppressed. you can't have it both ways.

OUr country is the world's greatest super power because we do things exactly the opposite of those places. You can't just flip that switch on and off whenever you want.

It’s interesting how some peoples tyrannical tendencies are really brought to light during this whole COVID thing.

A one party dictatorship like China has become the ideal for some. I’m sure North Korea did a great job controlling COVID as well. Don’t ask how though.

Florida has been wide open for weeks, there are only 9 states below it in death per capita WITH covid, the last 7 days. Per the NYT tracker. Might want to look at Georgia too, which has it's own thread, where COVID fatalists have predicted doom and gloom for months, it's also outperforming in this metric.

energeticlotuseater wrote:

I don’t believe COVID is a great threat to public safety. I believe it’s a contagious virus that has a .5% death rate.

See this is kinda tipping your hand.

Anyone who things highly contagious and 0.5% IFR isn’t a great threat to safety just doesn’t grasp large numbers.

Of course you aren’t concerned! You haven’t understood the situation since March! Lost cause. Keep yelling at Target employees or something

energeticlotuseater wrote:

high school xc coach wrote:

Those countries do what they do because they don't value freedom and never have. Their people are oppressed. you can't have it both ways.

OUr country is the world's greatest super power because we do things exactly the opposite of those places. You can't just flip that switch on and off whenever you want.

It’s interesting how some peoples tyrannical tendencies are really brought to light during this whole COVID thing.

A one party dictatorship like China has become the ideal for some. I’m sure North Korea did a great job controlling COVID as well. Don’t ask how though.

The switch has been flipped on and off all the time. Stop buying the propaganda. We literally forced 20 year olds to go fight a proxy war in Vietnam only a generation ago.

A big federal response doesn’t mean taking away our rights. A military style mobilization doesn’t mean the same thing either.

If America is so special, surely we should be able to find a way to

1) not die to this virus by the hundred thousand

2) come together, cooperate, and prevent the spread

But I won’t hear arguments for inaction that are grounded in American exceptionalism.

Passiveness is the opposite of the traditional American response, for better or for worse.

Well...... wrote:

In case others hadn't noticed, it's taking off everywhere in the Northern Hemisphere.

In the UK, cases have started falling before the lockdown btw (some places had some tiers imposed, but many places dropping without them). This highlights again, lockdowns aren't doing what people think they are.

Cases have not started falling in the UK. They have plateaued, but in a big outbreak a plateau can often be the result of testing infrastructure being overwhelmed. Also, people do change behaviors when outbreaks accelerate. Cell phone GPS data usually shows that people start limiting movement before a lockdown order hits because people aren't dumb and know that it is a bad idea to go to a restaurant when case numbers are surging.

Yes, the Vietnam war was also huge mistake and an example of our government making a situation worse.

America is in no way exceptional. We can be one a fascist dictatorship as easily as any other country if we are not careful.

You won’t hear arguments about “American exceptionalism”. Fine. I will not hear arguments about “a military style mobilization” until our government goes through the proper constitutional channels to get a “Declaration of War” on COVID. Until then any war time policies the US government in acts are illegitimate and I find myself under no obligation to follow them.

energeticlotuseater wrote:

I don’t believe COVID is a great threat to public safety. I believe it’s a contagious virus that has a .5% death rate.

At what hypothetical death rate would a contagious virus be a threat to public safety?

Monkeys typing wrote:

energeticlotuseater wrote:

I don’t believe COVID is a great threat to public safety. I believe it’s a contagious virus that has a .5% death rate.

At what hypothetical death rate would a contagious virus be a threat to public safety?

No hypothetical death rate would be high enough for the government to take away my fundamental civil liberties. Also, no hypothetical death rate would be high enough for a government to take “war time” powers without actually going through the proper constitutional process to obtain a “ Declaration of War”

Personally, I would need at least 50%+ mortality rate for me to change my personal habits in any way.

What is your hypothetical death rate and how did you come to that number?

Haha 50% death rate! Sure if you live in your basement ... no virus is really a risk.

You guys make this too easy.